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Hierodule
ragnarok	Post subject: Hierodule Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:55 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:43 pm Posts: 2084 Location: Reading, England	I would like to see all three in the list, they are all in FW canon. ?I know that the IG had to give up a load of its super heavies, but I've always said that I would like to have this list used to tempt FW into building epic versions of its nid creatures (sooner rather than later). However it could be possible to have all three and only two SHBTs, the two Hierodules. ?The FW rules for the trygon had it at only 1 mass point and 5ish wounds, so it could be possible to just call it a 3+RA AV. (though I would prefer to call it a 2DC 5+RA WE) As for having the book, I thought it doesn't come out until the 24th. ?I'm planning on getting it and a set of the multipart raveners, er rippers ? , though I'm waiting to see if they are going to rerelease the epic haridan to coincide with the book (I'm planning on having one as a Vituarptor or however it is spelt). _________________ Tyranid air marshal
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Tactica	Post subject: Hierodule Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:09 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Hena, In principle, I'm with Ragnarok. First there is the question of Trygon. Is it making a comeback as there is heavy push for in forgeworld and it is mentioned in new Nid codex? Well, as you note - if recently published core design history and obious FW support - well, that direction is clear. are we going to drop it.

I don't know Jaldon's take, but if he's interested in player feedback, I'd have to say you guys should be mindful that not all bug players want the big horde all of the time.

Also, its good to keep the opponent's guessing. If I might expect lots of WE and big bugs with small bug support, or massive small bug horde with big bug support - or the further extremes one way or the other - all little or big bugs, then the list I face you with has to make sure I can handle the multitude of targets. (yeah, I used that target word again!)

Point is, better to keep the opponent on their toes - from the bug perspective.

Personally, I never want to go to the table with XYZ force and have somebody immediately know that they had to bring a cerain amount of *fill in the blank* to deal with my army.

So if having one more WE in the list means that it offers the list that much more flexability - that seems like a plus to me.

In addition, the Trigon is a cool model with some nice background IMHO. Its very different from the look of the Hierodule.

*IF* there were to be a model of the three WE to be abandoned, I would say blend the two Hierodules together into one stat line before you lose a completely different looking and functioning model like the Trigon.

Their's definitely precident of 'blending stats'. Look at simple things like heavy weapons on marines/IG/etc... there's a tac squad with a heavy weapon. It represents what all Tac squads in general can do, regardless of specific weapon outfit, wargear, pistols or bolters - etc. In general - they all get a generic profile.

Tau crisis teams have a blended weapon profile instead of having multiple different kinds of crisis suits represented in E:A even though different models were already manufactured.

The admitted difference on the proverbial table of consideration is that this is a WE model. WE typically have different models for different armorments. So the 2 types of Heirodules are actually warranted if their impact on the list is different enough and valuable enough.

So from this player's perspective, I think the bugs should include all three of the WE targets. (heh, I know - I did it again!) For flavor, for option flexability, and for core design precident moving down that path - after all, all 3 models are FW models at the 40K scale.

Just be sure to keep them all pointed correctly, and balanced. Shouldn't be an issue to incorporate them *if* the direction aligns with the Champ's vision of the list.

Cheers,