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Morg	Post subject: Nid v6.22 List Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:19 am
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:33 pm Posts: 193 Location: Ireland	Is there a changelog anywhere around? I am not so firm in the old list, but I'd like to know what changed because I am likely to play against it in the future _________________ Generosity rules where 6mm soldiers are concerned. -- Looking for players near Dublin - get in touch with me!
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BlackLegion	Post subject: Nid v6.22 List Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:17 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:13 am Posts: 8711 Location: Leipzig, Germany, Europe, Sol III, Orion Arm, Milky Way, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Universe	The Hydraphant is listed under Independend Swarms, but in its stats it says it is a Synapse. So whats right? And its HormAgaunt not HormOgaunt _________________ We are returned! http://www.epic-wargaming.de/
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thurse	Post subject: Nid v6.22 List Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:32 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:13 pm Posts: 185 Location: Dundee, Scotland	Hi! First, congratulations, the list improves with each new version. Here are my thoughts and suggestions, though: - hierodule B : Hierodule B is a bit too tough I think. I would remove the extra FF attack, as three 3+ FF attacks and 4+RA for 100 points is already very powerful. - hierodule A is not very interesting : it has to go in CC and with 15cm it is nearly impossible. I would have given the bio-shock wave to him. --> give the bio shock wave to hierodule A(without extra FF) and give the Acid spray to hierodule B - Raveners  seems ok now ( we already tried them with brood 2 ), but in fact become very, very powerful when used to soak damages in assault. I would rework them starting with a 6+ armor save, as for me, common brood creatures have to be cheap, fragile and powerful in assault. - In our last game the genestealer did not act, so I wont argue too much, but were they really underpowered with CC 4+? On the special rules, I'm ok except that : -garrisoning units with nodes can lead to abuses. -being able to act after a withdrawal move is perhaps the biggest advantage the nids have when fighting another assault oriented army. Perhaps is it balanced, but it is really weird and can give the nid the mobillity they lack... see ya
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Chroma	Post subject: Nid v6.22 List Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:25 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	With 2DC, the Harridan's "2-part" critical hit effect is moot as they both cause the same effect... death. _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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Jaldon

Post subject: Nid v6.22 List Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:56 am

Brood Brother Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:38 am Posts: 720 Location: Utah, pick a Pacific Island the other half of the year.

Dominatrix would be better to 50 points cheaper with commander. And give it 0-1 upgrade to supreme commander costing 50 points.  That way the supreme commander ability isn't in cost of all (possible) dominatrixes. Also I would drop the cost of biotitans (dominatrix, hierophant and hydraphant) by 50 or perhaps 100. I really haven't been fretting the nitty gritty point costs yet, as was stated when I took over, and as the Special Rules are themselves looking pretty good (And thanks Hena I will be going over your nit picks that keep me in line, don't stop I appreciate it ) We will be moving on to data/points and I am not against lowering the Big WEs. And finally lesser synapse nodes cost is 30. I assume that this is typo and use 50 in my game tomorrow.

Damn, like the publisher who tried to write the perfect book (true storey) after a host of proof readers went over it they sent it out only to learn they had spelled the title wrong

Yes it is 50pts.

With 2DC, the Harridan's "2-part" critical hit effect is moot as they both cause the same effect... death.


You are correct but keep it there for now as I may raise the Harridans DC to 3 (I am thinking about it anyways)

- hierodule B : Hierodule B is a bit too tough I think. I would remove the extra FF attack, as three 3+ FF attacks and 4+RA for 100 points is already very powerful.
- hierodule A is not very interesting : it has to go in CC and with 15cm it is nearly impossible. I would have given the bio-shock wave to him.
--> give the bio shock wave to hierodule A(without extra FF) and give the Acid spray to hierodule B


Hireodule, and some others, are going to need a long hard look to get right and fit into the proper points catagory, it is the next phase in the project.

- Raveners  seems ok now ( we already tried them with brood 2 ), but in fact become very, very powerful when used to soak damages in assault. I would rework them starting with a 6+ armor save, as for me, common brood creatures have to be cheap, fragile and powerful in assault.


This probably isn't going to change as 6+ just wouldn't fit the fluff, my concern with Raveners is the infiltrator ability making them too powerful. For now they keep it and we see what happens.

- In our last game the genestealer did not act, so I wont argue too much, but were they really underpowered with CC 4+?


They are one shot weapons in a lot of ways as they are often butchered after they are committed. Just that occurred in this weekends games using the CC3+ stat, the Genestealers went in and ended up very quickly lounging in the dead tray. The CC3+ may not survive muster, but I want to see how it works out.

-garrisoning units with nodes can lead to abuses.

There is no doubt it can, but you cannot Garrison Raveners/HormAgaunts even if the Synapse Node is there. Doing it to spawn them often requires the use of two things (1) Myecetic Spores, or you just don't get enough Brood creatures on the ground to make a difference.
(2) An opponent that ignores them and allows the Nid player to spawn with them before filling the Node full of holes.
So am I missing your point?

-being able to act after a withdrawal move is perhaps the biggest advantage the nids have when fighting another assault oriented army. Perhaps is it balanced, but it is really weird and can give the nid the mobillity they lack...


This is a major part of the fluff JJ wants and is unlikely to change. We have to work the army points around this fact, not try to change the rule to fit the army itself.

The Hydraphant is listed under Independend Swarms, but in its stats it says it is a Synapse.


It is not Synapse, just a typo. Boy I am getting good at making them ain't I

For the time being lets give this list a few goes before diving into points changes/data changes and see what comes out the other end.

Oh, I did try an 'all Ravener' (No Terms or Hormos) army this weekend, it didn't work so well so maybe the 25pts is good for them.

Notification...........................

My posting is going to drop off the rest of this week, and early next week, as I am going to be working doubles again (No rest for the wicked). Also next week I am going to be disappearing for two, possibly three, days and will be offline, work again.

I will still be poking my nose in until then and will get back up to speed ASAP when I get back.

Thanks All

Jaldon