The EpicUK list has now made an appearance and apart from a few unexpected stats looks pretty good. I do feel that it is slightly on the conservative side in terms of stats and points preferring a slight overcosting/understatting compared to the other lists floating around here.

The question now is can we sort the Tyranid list mess out that we have here. We've failed a few times already, maybe 83rd time lucky?

I've put together a comparison of the available stats for a number of lists (9.2.1, Onachus 0.3, Leviathan 2.1, Jormungandr and EpicUK) in an effort to identify where the differences are in order to look at producing a unified unit list with a set of stats that list builders can use.

Now there are a few differences (yellow highlight) and I think we would have to aim for grudging acceptance that a unit is ok rather than complete happiness. There's a lot of yellow but it isn't really that bad.

The comparision list is likely to contain the odd error (particularly weapon names) and the tyranid special rules vary substantially but a good initial aim would be to get a list of primary stats and rule book abilities for the units and weapons.

Update: Added Tarrasque and fixed EpicUK errors
Highlighting is now red text where a single item differs and yellow highlighting where it's a little more complicated.
Update 2: Added a partially unified list (discounts EpicUK list (too divergent) and disagreements between the remaining lists are highlighted in red on a single statline per creature)

A good initiative, that I as a regular Tyranid player welcome. I think the biggest problem with the suggestion that was raised in the EpicUK thread, that the EpicUK list should be used as the NetEA old-school list, is that such an approach limits future NetEA lists in terms of unit stats. While IG and Space Marine lists can get away with the pattern approach, the different stats and even unit types for the same model is confusing to me as a player and not to mention any opponents.

/Fredmans

Leviathan Hierodule. Onachus Hierodule. Jormungandr Hierodule. Tyran Hierodule.

Yay! I fixed Epic Tyranids!

More seriously - I think a certain degree of diversity makes sense and is highly justifiable. However, I think the current degree of diversity may be...excessive.

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I guess Hive Fleet Tarrasque does not make a showing?

In any event, I feel you are comparing apples with oranges. As an example, a modern Carnifex is not the carnifex of the older school lists.

I still feel that there should be two variants and the comparrisons should be split to their respective eras rather than trying to incorporate the kitchen sink on stats.

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In the comparisons, you've got E:UK Tyranid warriors as LV when they are Inf

Yah, from using the EpicUK list, I spotted a couple minor errors: Tyranid warriors are indeed infantry, and Carnifexs are speed 20cm.

Speed 20 was purely to stop them from garrisoning - which is a bit wierd.

{EDIT} Carnifi (?) garrisoning being a bit wierd - that is.

Only as much as the Baran Ragnaroks.

Or a massive mob of Ork Stompas garrisoning, for that matter.

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Baran's Ragnaroks are not that weird, since the whole army is dug into pre-prepared fortified positions. Ork Stompas though, definately a bit of an oddity but then, Epic-UK didn't write that list.

On a more serious note, I wasn't going to include any brute swarms originally, but I think I one min size one of 1 x hive tyrant and 3 x carnifex, so I can spent the whole game referring to them alternately as Carnifii and carnifoi.

I pondered the double ii too (Roman style baby!)

Carnifii sounds so much better than Carnifexes

Might be carnifeces

Ha! Nice.

Tarrasque was supposed to be in and has now been added.

I think there is scope to have variants but not to the extent there is now. I don't think we need a complete set of 'old' stats and a complete set of 'new' stats. I think there should be a significant if not complete amount of overlap.

A key point is right now the background states that the modern carnifex appeared in Behemoth. So by definition the modern carnifex is the carnifex of the older school lists unless the fleet predates behemoth (and so hadn't yet acquired the Tyranid name). Still a screamer killer variant is an option but I think it is counter productive to have old/new variants of everything.