Onachus has the Hierodule as a DC6 War Engine.
He's looking to use stats that represent the Tyranids as they were 15 years ago, which is not what all the other lists are doing.
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| Author: | zombocom [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tyranid Warrior Stats |
The purpose of this thread is to try and get agreement on the stats for Tyranid warriors. TYRANID WARRIORS 9.2.1: Code: Type Speed Armour Close Combat Firefight LV 20cm 4+ 3+ 5+ Weapons Range Firepower Notes Venom Cannon 30cm AP5+/AT6+ Deathspitters (15cm) Small Arms Slashing Claws (Base Contact) Assault Weapons Extra Attacks (+1) Notes: Fearless, Synapse. Leviathan: Infantry Speed 15cm Onachus: Note: represents earlier style. Onachus stats are not being consolidated. Infantry Speed 15cm Armour 5+ No Venom Cannon Deathspitters have 15cm AP5+ Jormungandr: Infantry Speed 15cm Wings option (Speed 25cm, Armour 5+) |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
All the varients agree that they should be Infantry and speed 15cm. Onachus makes a weapon change, I'm not sure why, and reduces the armour to 5+, which I think is a misrepresentation of their 40k stats. Jormungandr adds a wings option ala Hive Tyrants. Personally I'm not in favour of either of them having it, but if one has the option the other should too. |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
Same comment on the wings as for the Tyrants - 2 stat lines will make it easier to tweak the stats for balance. On 15cm speed, this would add another option for theoretically garrisoning a Nid swarm. I'm not sure that's very important given the unlikelihood of an infantry-led, 15cm speed swarm with the current unit stats and the inability to do tricks like having a harridan drop off its broods to a garrisoned synapse creature. It was just the first "could this cause problems" thing that popped into my head. No opinion on the LV/infantry issue. |
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| Author: | Dave [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
2/3 SM/TL models have Deathspitters so I made the stats WYSIWYG. I figured 2 S5/AP5 blast weapons were close enough to a Heavy Bolter. On the armor, if your sticking to straight 5th edition then 4+ is more appropriate. But the earlier stuff has them at T4/W2/Sv5+ (3 are slightly better then 5 Ork Boyz), that's why I went with 5+ (slightly better then Ork Boyz). |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
Hmm, I may have to leave Onachus out of these debates, or mark that it is trying to represent earlier versions if you're not looking to consolidate stats. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
Onachus has the Hierodule as a DC6 War Engine. He's looking to use stats that represent the Tyranids as they were 15 years ago, which is not what all the other lists are doing. |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
I'll keep them listed, but mark them as intending to represent older versions and not consolidate. |
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| Author: | Dave [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
In my comparison sheet 5th edition changed a lot of stats, but a later hive-fleet list should be following that more closely than what I'm following for Onachus. I think the IG tank pattern approach will probably get us over the biggest discrepancies however. Re: the bigger tank bugs and bio-titans, I haven't touched those stats yet. I tried to break the changes into two separate iterations for testing. |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
Understood, I'm keeping the Onacus stats in these threads for reference and ideas, but noting that they're not looking to be consolidated like the rest. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:56 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats | ||
@Deathspitter. In the WhES it turns aout to be 30cm AP5+ Here the Tyranid weapons inthe attachment:
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| Author: | Dave [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
A 18"/24" 40k weapon having a 30cm shooting attack in EA seems like a stretch. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
Dave wrote: A 18"/24" 40k weapon having a 30cm shooting attack in EA seems like a stretch. Barring a (very) few large guns such as Demolisher Cannons, 95% of weapons in that class end up as Small Arms. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
Tau Pulse Rifles (18") Demolshier (24") Assault Cannon (24") Plasma gun (24") All have a 15cm shooting attack in Epic. With sufficent preconditions (Strength 5+ and either Assault 1+ or Heavy 4+ or Rapid Fire or a blast template) a 18"-30" weapon will add 1+5cm to a shot in the WhES. This can give a previously Small Arms weapon a 15cm ranged shot. For example: One recondition for ar ranged shot is Strength 5+ with Assault 2+. Now we assume a weaponwith Strength 5 butonly Assault 1. If the range is only 24" this alone wouldn't generate a ranged shot in Epic. Now you look atthe range enhancer table and see that Strength 5 with Assault 1 is sufficent to give this Small Arms weapon a 15cm ranged shot (15cm AP6+ in this case). |
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| Author: | Dave [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
15cm I agree with, not 30cm though. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tyranid Warrior Stats |
Well i apply the WhES and then let common sense define the final stat 
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