I know what you mean but I'm finding it hard to get many activations at all out of the list.
I could take more small synapse groups & spread the brood across them but where would I find the room for all the big things
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| Author: | Couchmonster [ Mon May 11, 2009 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | 4k Nid list |
Hiya guys I've got a game wednesday evening & I've decided to give my Nid army it's 2nd outing. Here's the list, recommendations welcome; Hive Group; Dominatrix Assault Group; Tyrant, 5 warriors Assault Group; 4 Warriors Strike Group; Vituperator Bio-Titan Swarm; Hydraphant Lictor Swarm; 6 Lictors Genestealer Swarm; 9 Genestealers 4x Gargoyle Flock 4x Gaunt Cluster; all Hormaguants 5x Gaunt Cluster; all Termagants 2x Bio-Artillery Cluster; 4 Dactylis 2x Carnifex Cluster 1x Trygon Cluster; 1 Trygon What do you think? Cheers CM |
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| Author: | arkturas [ Mon May 11, 2009 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | 4k Nid list |
It might be useful if you give us an idea of your planned groupings and game plan. |
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| Author: | Couchmonster [ Mon May 11, 2009 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 4k Nid list |
I'm planning on splitting up the force thusly; 1) Hive Group, Carnifex Cluster, Carnifex Cluster, Trygon Cluster, 4x Gaunt Clusters (all Hormagaunts) 2) Strike Group, 3x Gargoyle Flock + Genestealers carried in the Vituperator 3) Assault Group 1 (contains Hive Tyrant); 5x Gaunt Clusters (all Termagants) 4) Assault Group 2, 2x Bio-Artillery Cluster (all Dactylis) 5)Lictors 6)Hydraphant The plan is to sit the small assault group & the Dactylis back on my Blitzkrieg & take full advantage of my IDF barrage. First off however I'm looking to create an immediate threat with the strike group on the weaker flank, then move the Hive Group & Hydraphant up the other with the Tyrant led assault group advancing in the centre. I'll use the Lictors later in the game to try and clearout weakend objective holders. |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Mon May 11, 2009 2:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 4k Nid list |
Quote: (Couchmonster @ 11 May 2009, 11:18 ) What do you think? My primary "concern" when looking at that list is that you've only got 7 activations in a 4000 point game. As an example, in the last 4000 point game I played, the Eldar had 14 activations and the other army had 19. Tyranids tend to be lower on the activation scale, but seven seems *awfully* low. |
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| Author: | Couchmonster [ Mon May 11, 2009 2:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 4k Nid list |
I know what you mean but I'm finding it hard to get many activations at all out of the list. I could take more small synapse groups & spread the brood across them but where would I find the room for all the big things
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| Author: | Hojyn [ Mon May 11, 2009 3:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 4k Nid list |
Quote: (Couchmonster @ 11 May 2009, 13:41 ) I'm planning on splitting up the force thusly; 1) Hive Group, Carnifex Cluster, Carnifex Cluster, Trygon Cluster, 4x Gaunt Clusters (all Hormagaunts) 2) Strike Group, 3x Gargoyle Flock + Genestealers carried in the Vituperator 3) Assault Group 1 (contains Hive Tyrant); 5x Gaunt Clusters (all Termagants) 4) Assault Group 2, 2x Bio-Artillery Cluster (all Dactylis) 5)Lictors 6)Hydraphant I'd go for smaller creatures and smaller swarms. The Dominatrix is fine on its own, no need to give her bodyguards (perhaps just 1 Trygon). Add another Assault group and move all creatures (except the Trygon) from the Hive groups to this group. +1 activation. Then replace the Vituperator with 2 Harridans, for extra mobility. +1 activation. With the points spared on the Gargoyles and Stealers, you should now be able to buy an Attack Group and a couple of Assault Spawn clusters : a Winged Tyrant and 6 Haruspex/Malefactors should give you a hard-hitting, fast-moving force. +1 activation. Lose the Hydraphant and find some way to spare some points to buy 2 Hierophants OR buy 1 Hierophant and another, cheap Independant Swarm (6 Stealers, Subterranean Swarm). +1 activation. Break the 6 Lictors into 2 swarms. They only serve to delay the opponent anyway (unless he's playing an army with a low Strategy Rating), so better to have 2 activations instead of one. +1 activation. If you plan on having an all-Dactilys swarm, choose an Attack Group instead of an Assault Group : the Tyrant will be better protected than the 3 Warriors. That should give you about 10-12 activations, depending on your choices. Still a bit low for 4000 points but more acceptable. |
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| Author: | frogbear [ Mon May 11, 2009 9:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 4k Nid list |
I have started to contemplate formulating what to take for a nid army myself Can you please advise which list you have used for this force so as I can compare? |
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| Author: | Couchmonster [ Tue May 12, 2009 9:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | 4k Nid list |
I've used v9.2.1 Good luck with t'bugs |
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| Author: | frogbear [ Fri May 29, 2009 9:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | 4k Nid list |
How did you get 5 gaunts out of the 9.2.1 list? Here is the army that died horribly last night. Tell me what you think: Points: 4000 Rules: 9.2.1 Nids Activations: 14 Excuses: First game with nids under EA rules and didn't understand how delicate nids can be. Did I mention I forgot I had troops in the Vituperator? Also what is up with the Hive Tyrant not having Inspiring!!! Hydraphant Synapse Node #1 4 Biovores 2 Termagaunts Synapse Node #2 4 Biovores 2 Termagaunts Genstealers #1 Broodlord Genstealers #2 Lictor x3 Group #1 Lictor x3 Group #2 Hive Tyrant (wings) Hive Tyrant (wings) 4 Hormagaunts 2 Ravenors Haruspex Hive Tyrant 4 Hormagaunts 2 Haruspex 2 Termagaunts Hive Tyrant 4 Hormagaunts 2 Ravenors 1 Haruspex 2 Termagaunts Vituperator Zoanthrope 4 Hormagaunts 4 Ravenors Dominatrix 4 Termagaunts Trygon (brood list) 4 Ravenors |
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| Author: | frogbear [ Fri May 29, 2009 10:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | 4k Nid list |
The Vituperator forgot he had troops in his belly. I forgot to drop them on the 2nd turn for a 3rd turn charge. As the Vit only has 25cm movement, he was useless too me when I was 35cm away from the untouched land raider unit that I needed to break. The lone Hive Tyrant I was using to track the Trygon and host, or to build a swarm closer to the enemy line. At one point I had all 4 hive tyrants near each other. I was then able to spawn a gaunt to go in between the two units. I then was able to use the Commander rule to set up a double charge (should have been a triple yet he took one unit out on his own charge. It appears to be quite easy to get a joint charge with Hive Tyrants having the Commander ability. They really do need inspiring however to be truly effective. My best units were the Haruspex for their sheer hitting power and saves in CC, and the lictors for their sniper ability to concentrate hits on the icon bearer and champion thereby messing up the daemon summoning (1 round too late however). Battle report hey? Let me see what I can get together this weekend. |
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