(Kagetora @ Oct. 29 2007,22:12)
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Take any AV14 vehicle for example. A Stealer or Warrior with S4 gets lucky and Rends on the Pen. They are up to a S10 hit now, with 1 extra die to roll, giving them a 50% chance to harm the tank in some way (17% chance to Glance, 33% chance to Pen, 50% chance to do nada). OTOH, the S6 Lecitor would be up to a 12+1d6, and would injure the vehicle on a 2+, i.e. 83% of the time. With a 67% chance to Pen.
Thats a significant boost. Granted, it still requires to hit, and a Rend, and its not as good as a Carnifex will be against the same Vehicle. But, again, you are talking about one of the best vehicle killers in the game, period. If it hits, its gonna hurt. Bad. The problem is, the Lictor is actually better against Vehicles than it is against Infantry.
Sorry to bore everyone else with more 40k maths stuff, but...
Actually follow through all those "of course it requires this and this and this" and then compare with effects of that extra ST point or two with the extra attacks the proportional amount of stealers or warrirors will have. Then compare both with the carnifex across a range of different contexts.
Although context makes some small differences, overall it definitely comes out like I said. You are still inflating the importance of some very minor differences.
I used a 3 Lictor army, with lots of CC warriors and a few stealers in 40k for a while (and even came second in a tournament once despite using no MC's). It was the distinctly mediocre performance of the lictors (despite good opportunities to prove themselves) that led me to think about it a bit more and run some numbers on them.
Also remember that Carnifex's without guns are notoriously ineffective against vehicles in 40K competitive gaming. They are slow and can't catch vehicles, and against a cruising vehicle they need 6's to hit (though if they do hit the vehicle is messed up).
Also, your proposals for stats have already been tried, yes some of them (4+RA for carnis) make some kind of sense in terms of just doing a straight 40K-EA conversion, but more important is to make sure that the EA list is a good list. Spawning 4+ RA carnifexes wasn't fun for opponents in my experience.
