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Zoanthropes & Spore Mines
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:03 am 
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I thought that support craft didn't do close combat at all?

Shouldn't they have a CC of nothing and a higher FF, to represent them exploding as you got near them.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:30 am 
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And close combat as well as firefight can be without it as the effects of the acids are much more dangerous to aircrafts than something that moves on the ground.


Trust me, Spore Barrages are very dangerous to ground troops... if they hit.

MW 5/6+ CC would seem appropriate.


Independent allows controlling objectives, uncommon does not. Also I think that independent should be intelligent. Meiotic Spores are not.

Then give 'em a note: May not control or contest objectives.


There's no reason that Independent creatures should be intelligent... it's their battlefield role that matters, and if they're an uncommon Brood, they have to attach to a Brood formation... which is not how they operate in the background / 40k rules / Warwick's brain. :)

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:30 pm 
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I think what Rag is saying is that the support craft ability description actually prohibits CC.  So if you want to give the clouds a CC value you CAN'T give them support craft.

My feeling is that if you are going to use it for aircraft, keep that as the focus.  There is no need for a CC value.  Ex. I am sure that if you shot flak into a crowd of people it would be deadly, but that isn't the intent of the weapon.

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I don't want to make them good as that would mean a cost raise as well. Also pure strenght isn't only factor as they need to wipe out full units.


Large Template, S5, AP3. They *murder* troop formations, even Marines.

CC6+ MW?

I use three in my 40k 'nid army.

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When attacking tanks, Meotic Spores roll 2D6 and add 5 to find their armour penetration rating.

That's an average result of 12, enough to penetrate light vehicles like Rhinos or Chimerae with ease, and Leman Russ vehicles with a little luck.

So although not quite as good at killing vehicles as they are at killing infantry, low-flying Meotic Spores are still dangerous hazards to most vehicles, they're statistically very likely to inflict damage on the majority of vehicles in 40k.


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Of course this is all quite irrelevant if we go with 'Support Craft'.




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In which case, MW6+ CC :D

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Supprt Craft: Support craft remain high up in the air, this means they can always draw a line of fire to any target and vice versa, like aircraft. They also never block LOF to other units, including other support craft. They ignore terrain when moving and never count as being in cover, nor can they provide cover for friendly troops, as they are too far away from the ground. They can only deploy troops immediately after they have performed a planetfall. In an assault, they work exactly like skimmers.

You don't HAVE to go with support craft, but it certainly solves other problems previously brought up.  Here is my question: what was the original intent behind the spore clouds?  I was under the impression that they were for AA.  ???

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(Evil and Chaos @ Apr. 14 2007,14:39)
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In which case, MW6+ CC :D

So while we are waiting on the cathedrals, does your contact there have access to anything else?  Like those fortification walls and such? :)

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They can only deploy troops immediately after they have performed a planetfall.


Completely OT, I've always wondered why this line was introduced, as it runs completely counter to how Mantas operate in the background (Skimming around the planet at low levels, dropping off troops or picking them up as they go).

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In which case, MW6+ CC :D

So while we are waiting on the cathedrals, does your contact there have access to anything else?  Like those fortification walls and such? :)

I have asked, and hope to recieve a concrete (pun) reply by monday.

Sorry for the delay so far dude.

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I think showing what they do in 40k is entirely irrelevan to the question and missing the point.

Assume in epic they are fired at ground level by arty or float with the swarms and are part of the assault value. We are disscussing clouds of spores, not fog banks. Such a device is either high up or low down. I can't see how they could be both.

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