Off topic but I didn't realise the ATSKNF rule caused confusion? I've never witnessed it.
So can the French list make a bigger viable horde thant he ERC one? (I.e. infantry warriors with a horde of gaunts.)
Quote: (Chroma @ 02 Jul. 2009, 03:23 )
Okay, here's why I don't find this part over-complicated or confusing: There's no such thing as an "independent Gargoyle", there are no "independent" creatures in the list at all; a "newcomer" reading the list would never think of "independent Gargoyles" as such a thing is never mentioned, it's us "old-timers" that remember older version that, in my mind, seem to be conflating things or making assumptions that are causing this problem.
Well I actually am something of a newcoming. I've only got a handful of nids so never bothered with the list. The only times I used it was when I looked through it, saw biotitans for the win and wanted to see if I was right.
I was genuinly confused by reading that brood creatures died with no synapse, then seeing the harridans getting them with no reference in the GT army list section about anything stopping them being brood.
Now it turns out you have to read the whole thing and while they can stop being brood creatures and become independants up until they die (I didn't realise as well that as independants they would now get blast markers, but then I tend to skim read wargames rules and hope they are simple), when they go intot he brood pile to come back as brood gargoyles in different formations.
It is a case of changing unit stats effectively, but its not to common, just awkward if things get crowded on the board (though no more than the mutable swarms could be).
You do explain it clearly here, maybe that same explanation should be used in the rules?
Quote: (Chroma @ 02 Jul. 2009, 04:09 )
I would never play any list against an opponent who had not read it with only explaining it in the "5 minute warmup"; if I was in that situation, I'd ask if they wanted to "demo" against said army or play against something else. The "5 minute warmup" is not where new armies are sprung on an unsuspecting opponent.
No can do actually. Tournament players come from a wide background of ability and not all are up to speed on everything in epic. These are GT lists, so the demo option shouldn't be needed.
Do you think you could explain ATSKNF and planetfalling in the 5 minute warmup to someone who had never read about Drop Podding Space Marines? Do you think they'd have a fun game that first time facing them if they knew nothing about that type of army?
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