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[Playtest] Abusive Builds
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:00 pm 
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I should have been clearer, my point was that other lists enforce these restrictions. Limiting all WEs in the Tyranid list will make it restrained as possible, if it proves too limiting we can loosen it to be just Bio-Titans, or something else.

Considering I have been able to win against WE heavy lists with but one Harridan I don't think starting out with a 1/3 limit on WEs would be all that hampering. The list is supposed to be infantry intensive anyway.

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Quote: (Dave @ 09 Dec. 2008, 13:00 )

Considering I have been able to win against WE heavy lists with but one Harridan I don't think starting out with a 1/3 limit on WEs would be all that hampering. The list is supposed to be infantry intensive anyway.

I'll corroborate that. All the times I've played Dave's bugs, the only WE he has used is a Harridan.

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Well, it that 1/3 thing settles this, are there any other "abusive" lists?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:19 pm 
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You could get 16 activations in a 3k list with this:

1000  10 Tyrants
675  9 Termagants
400  8 Hormagaunts
900  6 Genestealers (6)
2975/16

You'd be able to garrison the stealers and that would be a whole lot of frontage with their scout ability. The list doesn't look all that scary though, considering the lack of AA and shooting. Once DS recovers from his heart attack due to 6 stealer formations we'll see what he says.




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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:24 pm 
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Quote: (Dave @ 09 Dec. 2008, 18:19 )

1000  10 Tyrants
675  9 Termagants
400  8 Hormagaunts
900  6 Genestealers (6)
2975/16

Certainly a "horde of tooth and claw"... but a lot of AT fire is going to be heading towards those Tyrants... *laugh*

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:34 pm 
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Quote: (Dave @ 09 Dec. 2008, 13:19 )

You could get 16 activations in a 3k list with this:

1000  10 Tyrants
675  9 Termagants
400  8 Hormagaunts
900  6 Genestealers (6)
2975/16

You'd be able to garrison the stealers and that would be a whole lot of frontage with their scout ability. The list doesn't look all that scary though, considering the lack of AA and shooting. Once DS recovers from his heart attack due to 6 stealer formations we'll see what he says.

What do you mean it doesn't look all that scary? It's scary as hell! 16 activations, with 6 of them being Genestealers, sounds abusive to me. Actually I'd be willing to give it a try for playtesting sake.

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Chances are you're going to get strategy, and a retain or two of barrages is going to do a lot of damage while I'm in my deployment zone.  As to the stealers, if you shoot at them and stay in support range of other units they'll get shredded.

Then again, if you're using your 6 activation AMTL list things might get interesting.

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Quote: (Hena @ 09 Dec. 2008, 18:30 )

With the new 4+RA Tyrants, that could work.

An average of 4AT hits will take those bad boys out... with the sixth surviving via invulnerable save... *laugh*

And they're not getting to you for about two turns... lotsa time to mop up Genestealers!  *laugh*

I would love to see this army played against a "book" list if at all possible... in the very near future if at all possible!

What is "wrong" with the army, as it is absolutely a "tooth and claw" army?

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Quote: (Dave @ 09 Dec. 2008, 18:19 )

You could get 16 activations in a 3k list with this:

1000  10 Tyrants
675  9 Termagants
400  8 Hormagaunts
900  6 Genestealers (6)
2975/16

I think that I would take the hit on activations and use Warriors instead as well as replacing 1 formation of Genestealers with suicide Lictors to act as a teleporting threat.

100 Tyrant
900 6x 3 Warriors
Common Brood
750 5x 6 Stealers
150 1x 3 Lictors

13 Activations

With only 1 unit being avaiable for AT targeting this could reduce alot of the incoming fire and protect BTS more.

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Does the opposite - an at horde - work at all?

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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 10 Dec. 2008, 10:19 )

Does the opposite - an at horde - work at all?

I'm not sure how you could do that, as all the Common Broods are infantry.

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Got in a "Handful of Harridans" fight over here, vs Speed Freaks.

Take a look and commence comments!

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Quote: (Tiny-Tim @ 10 Dec. 2008, 09:01 )

Quote: (Dave @ 09 Dec. 2008, 18:19 )

You could get 16 activations in a 3k list with this:

1000  10 Tyrants
675  9 Termagants
400  8 Hormagaunts
900  6 Genestealers (6)
2975/16

I think that I would take the hit on activations and use Warriors instead as well as replacing 1 formation of Genestealers with suicide Lictors to act as a teleporting threat.

100 Tyrant
900 6x 3 Warriors
Common Brood
750 5x 6 Stealers
150 1x 3 Lictors

13 Activations

With only 1 unit being avaiable for AT targeting this could reduce alot of the incoming fire and protect BTS more.

Yeah looks vulnerable with the tyrants to me too. Would prefer taking warriors and activation hit. Have used similar lists some time ago (infantry horde). Will see if I can trial again soon.

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