Plus they are awfully fast...

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I agree with Hena, apply labels of "Bio-titan" to the Vitu., Dom. and Harridan.  Then only allow 1/3 of the army to be Bio-titans. That was where Jaldon seemed to be going.

Chris, on your Heriophant list, they lost 1/2 of their shooting in 9.1 due to the Bio-cannon re-stat.

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Actually, they didn't lose any shooting... the Hierophant has *two* "Twin Bio-Cannons" by way of Jaldon's stat change... not a "single" Twin Bio-Cannon.

Still, it only has four ranged attacks... is that really seen as over-powered?

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Sorry was getting the Heirodule and the Heirophant (the old Heirodule) mixed up.

Looking at the phant's stats now, I'd also add that it's twin bio-cannon should be renamed something else if we're going by what was on the old model.

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Do people really consider the Harridan to be a "Bio-Titan" class creature?

Additionally, unlike any other "Titan" class units in any other army, all of the Tyranid war engines can be, potentially, killed by a single hit.

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I'd classify as titan class any war engine that is fearless with some form of shield or invulnerable save, so yes, I'd classify them as bio-titans.

Frankly I have no idea if this list is broken or not, but it is debatable enough to merit testing, surely?

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But it is these days. The FW reimagining of the Haridan is a lot bigger than before, and definately a bio-titan.

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If you don't include the Harridan, then the 1/3 restriction on "Bio-Titans" does nothing to prevent this list:

1000 5 Harridan (20DC)
400 1 Hydraphant (8DC)
550 2 Heirophants (12DC)
450 6 Termagant Clusters
600 3 Trygon Clusters (2 each) (12DC)
3000/8

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Unstoppable? Possibly, that'd need playtesting.

Unfluffy? Certainly.

The majority of the army should be hordes of infantry. That's just how nids are.

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You don't consider 24 stands of 'Gaunts a "horde"?  The army still has more Inf models that War Engine models in it.

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Is the above army unstoppable?  "Unfluffy"?  There's still 24 stands of Common Brood creatures on the table in this army.

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At that point I'd say just limit WEs to 1/3 of the list. Considering that's what other lists do, I'd say start with that. If it proves too limiting refine it.

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I think it was more a case of is it a titan class set of stats than a classification question like what species it is.

The stats put it on scout titan/deathwheel level I think. Certainly its fun rushing the whole army into the opponents deployment zone or having a CC engage of 35-40cm and FF engage of 50.

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