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Morg	Post subject: [I]Personal Observations about the Tyranid List. Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:30 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:33 pm Posts: 193 Location: Ireland	Batreps are not the final indicator but they show the trend. I was trying to point something out to Ragnarok and asked a question. There are already enough suggestions in this thread and I didn't see the need to repeat them. And I am sorry, I will constantly harp on how unbalanced it is as long as it is Edit: Mini is short for miniature. _________________ Generosity rules where 6mm soldiers are concerned. -- Looking for players near Dublin - get in touch with me!
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ragnarok	Post subject: [I]Personal Observations about the Tyranid List. Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:46 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:43 pm Posts: 2084 Location: Reading, England	Quote (ayoras @ 23 Mar. 2006 (14:26)) Apart from that I love where the list is going and all this community even me with my long boring and incomprehensible posts? Yes even you Ayoras.  Everyone has given greatinput to the list, even when it is tangential, but somehow gets someone else thinking and results in a good idea (That seems to be my approach) _________________ Tyranid air marshal

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nealhunt

Post subject: [I]Personal Observations about the Tyranid List. Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:14 pm

Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA

Quote (Jaldon @ 23 Mar. 2006 (04:56)) Stone-Foxx Get used to disappointment as the Unstoppable rule isn't going to change no matter how much you say you feel it is beardy, unfair, etc......... That seemed a little harsh, Jaldon.  Perhaps not wholly undeserved, but nonetheless harsh. === "Jaldon, I would urge you to try playing against your army list, and against players who are trying to abuse it. I would submit that it's the only way to make a fair rule or army list. I always try to consider playing against any suggestion I make. It keeps me from trying to make things 'my way' instead of fair. Stonefoxx:  Since you are new, let me explain. Jaldon and his regular play group has one of the most regimented playtest routines of anyone doing development on the game.  They use judges, keep the opposing armies secret during army selection ("in the box" in their terminology), set up series of battles with set army lists against multiple different opponents (all chosen ahead of time and "in the box"), commonly invite 3rd party observers in addition to the judge, and frequently switch who plays which army.  I would be willing to bet that everyone in his group has played both with and against Nids more than most regular posters on these boards. He hasn't done any in a while, but when he does batreps, they are detailed, with both commanders giving pre-game strategy thoughts and all involved (players, judge, onlookers) giving post-game critiques of both tactics used and unit performance. I daresay that his opinion is regarded as being well-considered, objective, and backed by solid experience by pretty much everyone involved in development and playtest. While you deserve some slack for being relatively new to the boards, the kind of implications you made in that post fly all over me.  I suspect Jaldon's reaction was the same, as his above response was rather more salty than I would have expected. _________________ Neal

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Jaldon

Post subject: [I]Personal Observations about the Tyranid List. Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:18 am

Brood Brother Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:38 am Posts: 720 Location: Utah, pick a Pacific Island the other half of the year.

Batreps are not the final indicator but they show the trend. Sorry I didn't really state my position on this clearly. batreps cannot be taken as a gauge of the Army List because they are single events incapable of showing anykind of trend. However, taken with battles already fought, and yet to be fought, they can show what a person or group feel about something much better, and that can lead to a closer look given to the un-posted battles to see if a trend exsists. So yes and no. Neal Hunt That seemed a little harsh, Jaldon.  Perhaps not wholly undeserved, but nonetheless harsh.

Only goes to show that I am fallable, human, and now I apologize to all who have read it. Neal is correct it was a bit harsh.

.....as his above response was rather more salty than I would have expected.

(X) Sgt............

Jaldon and his regular play group has............

I thank you for the group for these kind words Neal, but I am really lucky to have two grown sons who both play and live near by, a really dedicated group of gaming friends, and a store owned by a very tolerant owner (has to be to put up with us) with no less then ten gaming tables.

It really is a breeze to get a game together at the store, and then have memebers of the group flow in and around the table. Often it is the last game of the evening (batreps) so that more observers have time to watch and comment. We have been in the store gaming well past closing, and sometimes well into the morning hours    

This is called being a very lucky person, very lucky.

As for the rest I just love writing so it comes easy, again blessed this time by a higher power.

Once again sorry to all for the harsh statement, in 99.9% of cases I really do read and consider posters input, and value their opinions.

Jaldon