Hi!
Oh, I CARE. In fact I won't use the old values anymore. Just your formula.
Primarch
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Wed May 07, 2014 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Points formula values for PDF |
Updated for current version of the formula (V0.46): ______________ Model or Formation name _ V0.46 Cost _ vs 0.43 _ vs Gold Planetary Defense Forces: Colonel __________ 101.5 ____ -7.35 _ +51.5 Commisar __________ 52.2 ___ -14.7 ___ +2.5 Commisar, Horse ___ 69.3 ___ -25.2 __ +19.3 Forward Observer __ 42.336 ___ 0 _____ -7.664 Grey Knights _____ 104.46 ___ -9.48 __ +4.46 Hive Gang Boss ____ 88.704 _ -10.58 _ +58.704 Inquisitor _______ 199.29 __ -22.05 _ +99.29 Inquisitor Horse _ 220.29 __ -37.8 _ +120.29 Major _____________ 64.4 ____ -3.68 _ +64.4 OM Inquisitor ____ 117.95 __ -22.05 _ -32.05 OM Inquisitor, H _ 138.95 __ -37.8 __ -11.05 Sanctioned Psyker _ 37.265 ___ 0 ____ -37.735 Snctnd Psyker, H __ 41.675 ___ 0 ____ -33.325 Sectional HQ _ M5 _ +8.1 _____ 0 _____ +8.1 Sectional HQ _ M4 _ +9 _______ 0 _____ +9 Sectional HQ _ M3 _ +9.9 _____ 0 _____ +9.9 Company HQ varies _Tactical CHQ _____ 37.1 _____ 0 ____ +17.1 _Rough Rider CHQ __ 49.175 _ -12.6 __ +34.175 _Ragnarok CHQ ____ 118.69 ___ -7.35 _ +18.685 _Sabre CHQ ________ 83.65 ____ 0 ____ +48.65 Assault ___________ 11.34 ___ -1.468 _ -8.66 Beastmen ___________ 9.9 ____ -2.03 _ -10.1 Cyborg Berserker __ 15.795 __ -3.51 _ -14.205 Heavy _____________ 19.845 ___ 0 ____ -20.155 Hive Ganger _______ 24.624 __ -0.972 _ -5.376 Human Bomb ________ 23.478 ___ 0 _____ +3.478 Militia ____________ 6.156 __ +0.608 _ -3.844 Penal Trooper ______ 9.405 ___ 0 ____ -20.595 Rocket _____________ 9.558 __ +0.608_ -10.442 Tactical _____ M5 __ 7.695 ___ 0 ____ -12.305 Tactical _____ M4 __ 8.55 ____ 0 ____ -11.45 Tactical _____ M3 __ 9.405 ___ 0 ____ -10.595 Tactical _____ M2 _ 10.26 ____ 0 _____ -9.74 Warrior ____________ 6.683 __ -0.608 _ -3.3175 Rough Riders ______ 13.4 ____ -4.8 ___ -6.6 Imperial Bikes ____ 14.94 ___ -6.4 __ -10.06 Robot _____________ 52.5 _____ 0 ____ +27.5 Sentinel __________ 19.035 __ -4.86 _ -10.965 Artillery Tractor _ 16.21 ____ 0 _____ +8.71013 Chimera ______ M3 _ 28.463 __ -1.733 _ -6.5375 Chimera ______ M2 _ 31.05 ___ -1.89 __ -3.95 Leman Russ ________ 39.285 __ -2.835_ -45.7049 Ragnarok __________ 52.92 ___ -2.025_ -47.08 Recon Vehicle _____ 16.605 __ -3.038 _ -3.395 Recon Vehicle Heavy 20.858 __ -3.038 _ +0.8575 Rhino, Command ____ 74.043 ___ 0 ____ +74.0425 Rhino, Cm Stealth _ 91.838 ___ 0 ____ +91.8383 Sabre _____________ 27.743 ___ 0 _____ -7.2575 Salamander ________ 17.942 _ -17.09 _ -17.0585 Vindicator ________ 34.83 ____ 0 ____ -15.17 Zulu AA Gun _______ 11.13 ___ -3.038 _ -8.8625 Infantry Gun _______ 6.075 __ -0.608 _ -6.425 Mole Mortar _______ 37.144 __ -0.608 _ +2.14407 Rapier ____________ 17.415 __ +1.823 _ -7.585 Tarantula _________ 64.75 ___ -1.05 _ +34.75 Thudd Gun _________ 12.287 __ +1.23 _ -22.7133 Basilisk _________ 100.12 ____ 0 ____ +35.116 Earthshaker _______ 85.131 __ +3.038_ +35.131 Manticore _________ 55.829 ___ 0 _____ -9.17075 Whirlwind _________ 30.152 ___ 0 ____ -19.8478 Thunderbolt ______ 107.87 __ -52.88 _ +22.865 Baneblade ________ 113.18 ___ +1.8 _ -111.825 Shadowsword ______ 157.1 ____ +1.35 _ -67.905 Storm Hammer _____ 124.16 ___ +2.25_ -125.845 Planetary Defense Force Formations: _ Company Formations: Tactical ________ 361 _ +107 _ -239 Militia _________ 307 __ +14 ___ +7 Support _________ 323 __ +12 __ -27 Hive Gang _______ 361 _ +121 _ -239 Penal ___________ 277 ____ 0 _ -173 Beastmen ________ 391 __ -44 _ -209 Ragnarok ________ 490 __ -20 _ -260 Sabre ___________ 288 ____ 0 __ -12 Rough Rider _____ 418 _ -130 _ -182 Light Artillery _ 229 ___ -5 __ -21 Earthshaker _____ 683 __ -19 _ +233 _ Special Formations: Cyborg Berserkers __________ 91 __ -17 __ -59 Forward Observer ____ Rh __ 148 ____ 0 __ +48 Grey Knights ______________ 313 __ -29 __ -87 Inquisitor __________ Rh __ 214 __ -22 _ +114 Inquisitor on Horse _______ 220 __ -38 _ +120 Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor Rh_ 133 __ -22 __ -17 Ordo-Malleus on Horse _____ 139 __ -38 __ -11 Sanctioned Psyker __ Rh ____ 52 ____ 0 __ -12 Sanctioned Psyker on Horse _ 42 ____ 0 __ -33 Commissar __________ Rh ____ 67 __ -15 __ +17 Commissar on Horse _________ 69 __ -26 __ +19 Battilion Command __ Ch ____ 91 ___ -5 __ -59 Regimental Command _ Ch ___ 130 ___ -9 __ -70 Baneblade _________________ 122 ___ -1 _ -103 Shadowsword _______________ 166 ___ -1 __ -69 Stormhammer _______________ 133 ___ -2 _ -117 _ Support Formations: Assault _____ 51 ____ -6 ___ -49 Beastmen ____ 83 ___ -15 __ -117 Heavy _______ 84 _____ 0 __ -116 Hive Gang __ 102 ____ -3 ___ -48 Human Bomb _ 117 _____ 0 ___ +17 Militia _____ 54 ____ +4 ___ -46 Penal _______ 46 _____ 0 __ -104 Recon ______ 110 ___ -13 ___ -90 Rocket ______ 44 ____ +2 ___ -56 Tactical ____ 73 _____ 0 __ -127 Warrior _____ 58 ____ -5 ___ -42 Rough Rider __ 109 ___ -36 ___ -91 Imperial Bike _ 65 ___ -24 ___ -60 Robot ___ 210 _____ 0 __ +110 Sentinel _ 80 ___ -19 ___ -70 Artillery Tractor _ 46 _____ 0 ___ +21 Leman Russ _______ 100 ____ -6 __ -150 Ragnarok _________ 132 ____ -5 __ -163 Patrol [5,BP3,M5] _ 39 ____ -7 ___ +39 Sabre _____________ 73 _____ 0 ___ -27 Salamander ________ 50 ___ -40 ___ -50 Vindicator ________ 89 _____ 0 ___ -61 Zulu AA ___________ 50 ___ -12 ___ -50 Infantry Gun _ 26 ____ -2 ___ -24 Mole Mortar __ 95 ____ -1 ____ -5 Rapier _______ 49 ____ +4 ___ -26 Tarantula ___ 246 ____ -4 ___ +96 Thudd Gun ____ 35 ____ -2 ___ -65 Basilisk ____ 242 _____ 0 ___ +42 Earthshaker _ 207 ____ -7 ___ +57 Manticore ___ 138 _____ 0 ___ -62 Whirlwind ____ 79 _____ 0 ___ -71 Thunderbolt _ 260 __ -123 ___ +10 Sample Army ________ v046 __ 043 ___ Gold ---Last Ditch Effort (new) Militia Company _____ 307 __ 293 __ 300 Support Company _____ 323 __ 311 __ 350 Penal Company _______ 277 __ 277 __ 450 Ragnarok Company ____ 490 __ 510 __ 750 Light Artillery Cm __ 229 __ 234 __ 250 Earthshaker Company _ 683 __ 702 __ 450 Composite Bunkers ___ 360 __ 360 __ 225 (see Core Rules pdf p30) Composite Bunkers ___ 360 __ 360 __ 225 --- Totals _________ 3029 _ 3047 _ 3000 Under Gold costs, includes 6 cards of Barricades or Trenches, but not in v43 or v46. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
Not that anyone (other than me) probably cares, but I've updated the PDF for the tweak runs and Transport revision. In addition, I've put in a couple of new formations. Certain Special on Horseback to accompany a Rough Rider Company and a version of the Recon Support with no infantry. The one with infantry is renamed to "Patrol" to indicate that it is not just Recon vehicles. I have NOT replaced any Command Rhino with Command Chimera, partly as flavor as the PDF should have to use older equipment and partly because the final cost difference is minimal at best. Use whichever you'd like. The default transports for Special Formations are shown. The negative costs of the Infantry Gun and Rapier are affecting two Companies. Those costs will change once, or if, something is done about Light Artillery in general or those models in specific. I am assuming in this list that Flyers (for Guard and PDF) should have Independent, and have calculated the Thunderbolt with that in mind. Also the Forward Observer. Planetary Defense Forces: Colonel ___________ 85.5 Commissar _________ 64.5 Commissar, Horse __ 74.5 Forward Observer __ 47 Grey Knights _____ 122.3 Hive Gang Boss ____ 93 Inquisitor _______ 174.45 Inquisitor, Horse _ 187.45 Major _____________ 51.5 OM Inquisitor ____ 121.75 OM Inquisitor, H _ 134.75 Sanctioned Psyker _ 28.6 Snctnd Psyker, H __ 30.6 Sectional HQ _____ +10 Company HQ varies _Tactical CHQ _____ 23.5 _Rough Rider CHQ __ 47.375 _Ragnarok CHQ _____ 77.15 _Sabre CHQ ________ 52.125 Assault ___________ 20.5 Beastmen __________ 21.5 Cyborg Berserker __ 30 Heavy _____________ 12 Hive Ganger _______ 61.5 Human Bomb ________ 17.2 Militia ____________ 1.7 Penal Trooper ______ 7 Rocket _____________ 3.1 Tactical ___________ 7 Warrior ___________ 11.25 Rough Riders ______ 26.25 Imperial Bikes ____ 28.338 Robot _____________ 32 Sentinel __________ 29.5 Artillery Tractor _ 19.506 [Transport 1: LA] Chimera ___________ 31.625 [Transport 2: I 1/1, LA1/0] Leman Russ ________ 46.256 Ragnarok __________ 51.775 Recon Vehicle _____ 24.5 Recon (Heavy) _____ 29.75 [Transport 1: I1/1] Rhino, Command ____ 54.881 [Transport 2: I 1/1, W 1/2, LA1/0] Rhino, Cm Stealth _ 74.881 [Transport 2: I 1/1, W 1/2, LA1/0] Stealth Sabre _____________ 28.75 Salamander ________ 33.25 Vindicator ________ 37 Zulu AA Gun _______ -0.25 Infantry Gun ______ -6.75 Mole Mortar _______ 11.25 Rapier ____________ -3 Tarantula __________ 9.5 Thudd Gun __________ 9 Basilisk _________ 122 Earthshaker ______ 101 Manticore _________ 50 Whirlwind _________ 38 Thunderbolt ______ 239 Baneblade ________ 143.31 Shadowsword ______ 155 Storm Hammer _____ 162.09 Planetary Defense Force Formations: _ Company Formations: Tactical _______ 150 Militia _________ 75 Support _________ 65 Hive Gang ______ 540 Penal __________ 110 Beastmen _______ 360 Ragnarok _______ 235 Sabre __________ 125 Rough Rider ____ 335 Light Artillery _ 40 Earthshaker ____ 385 _ Special Formations: Cyborg Berserkers _________ 150 Forward Observer __________ 115 Grey Knights ______________ 230 Inquisitor ________________ 210 (Cm Rhino) Inquisitor on Horse _______ 210 Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor ___ 150 (Cm Rhino) Ordo-Malleus on Horse _____ 150 Sanctioned Psyker __________ 45 (Cm Rhino) Sanctioned Psyker on Horse _ 30 Commissar __________________ 90 (Cm Rhino) Commissar on Horse _________ 85 Battalion Command __________ 70 (Cm Chimera) Regimental Command ________ 110 (Cm Chimera) Baneblade _________________ 130 Shadowsword _______________ 140 Stormhammer _______________ 145 _ Support Formations: Assault _____ 50 Beastmen ____ 95 Heavy _______ 30 Hive Gang __ 165 Human Bomb _ 120 Militia ______ 5 Patrol ______ 75 [5 Tactical, 5 Recon Vehicle (Heavy)] Penal _______ 20 Rocket ______ 10 Tactical ____ 30 Warrior _____ 45 Rough Rider __ 105 Imperial Bike _ 70 Robot ___ 160 Sentinel _ 70 Artillery Tractor _ 30 Leman Russ ________ 75 Ragnarok __________ 95 Recon _____________ 60 [5 Recon Vehicle; BP3, Morale 5] Sabre _____________ 45 Salamander ________ 55 Vindicator ________ 60 Zulu AA ____________ 0 (-0) Infantry Gun _ 0 (-10) Mole Mortar _ 20 Rapier _______ 0 (-5) Tarantula ___ 25 Thudd Gun ___ 15 Basilisk ____ 200 Earthshaker _ 165 Manticore ____ 80 Whirlwind ____ 60 Thunderbolt _ 430 |
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| Author: | primarch [ Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
Hi! Oh, I CARE. In fact I won't use the old values anymore. Just your formula. Primarch |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
LOL It has long seemed that most people (even sometimes you, Primarch) just are not interested in the "new" factions. That is, the ones that were not around during 2nd edition Epic. Which is understandable, as one has to use proxies for a great number of models in them. Still, they are there, so they will be converted. |
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| Author: | primarch [ Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
MagnusIlluminus wrote: LOL It has long seemed that most people (even sometimes you, Primarch) just are not interested in the "new" factions. That is, the ones that were not around during 2nd edition Epic. Which is understandable, as one has to use proxies for a great number of models in them. Still, they are there, so they will be converted. Hi! This is true. I sometimes am of the opinion that Gold went a little "too inclusive" and some army lists are better left as small specialty forces rather than a full blow army list. PDF and Adeptus mechanicus being prime examples. Primarch |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
Updated for tweak2. Planetary Defense Forces: Colonel ___________ 86 Commisar __________ 66 Commisar, Horse ___ 76 Forward Observer __ 47 Grey Knights _____ 123.6 Hive Gang Boss ____ 96 Inquisitor _______ 177.9 Inquisitor Horse _ 190.9 Major _____________ 52 OM Inquisitor ____ 122.5 OM Inquisitor, H _ 135.5 Sanctioned Psyker _ 30.15 Snctnd Psyker, H __ 32.15 Sectional HQ _____ +10 Company HQ varies _Tactical CHQ _____ 25 _Rough Rider CHQ __ 47.75 _Ragnarok CHQ _____ 83.275 _Sabre CHQ ________ 59.25 Assault ___________ 21 Beastmen __________ 22 Cyborg Berserker __ 29 Heavy _____________ 18 Hive Ganger _______ 62 Human Bomb ________ 17.8 Militia ____________ 2.4 Penal Trooper ______ 8 Rocket _____________ 5.2 Tactical ___________ 8 Warrior ___________ 11.5 Rough Riders ______ 26.5 Imperial Bikes ____ 28.675 Robot _____________ 35 Sentinel __________ 30 Artillery Tractor _ 18.013 [Transport 1: LA] Chimera ___________ 29.75 [Transport 2: I 1/1, LA1/0] Leman Russ ________ 52.513 Ragnarok __________ 62.55 Recon Vehicle _____ 24 Recon Vehicle Heavy 29.25 [Transport 1: I1/1] Recon (Heavy) _____ 29.75 [Transport 1: I1/1] Rhino, Command ____ 52.388 [Transport 2: I 1/1, W 1/2, LA1/0] Rhino, Cm Stealth _ 72.388 [Transport 2: I 1/1, W 1/2, LA1/0] Stealth Sabre _____________ 32.5 Salamander ________ 36.875 Vindicator ________ 41 Zulu AA Gun ________ 6.5 Infantry Gun ______ -4.5 Mole Mortar _______ 21.375 Rapier _____________ 3 Tarantula _________ 23 Thudd Gun _________ 18 Basilisk _________ 174 Earthshaker ______ 155 Manticore _________ 66 Whirlwind _________ 44 Thunderbolt ______ 243 Baneblade ________ 165.63 Shadowsword ______ 205.08 Storm Hammer _____ 187.18 Planetary Defense Force Formations: _ Company Formations: Tactical _______ 160 Militia _________ 83 Support _________ 86 Hive Gang ______ 544 Penal __________ 118 Beastmen _______ 335 Ragnarok _______ 278 Sabre __________ 142 Rough Rider ____ 336 Light Artillery _ 59 Earthshaker ____ 561 _ Special Formations: Cyborg Berserkers _________ 145 Forward Observer __________ 112 Grey Knights ______________ 231 Inquisitor ________________ 214 (Cm Rhino) Inquisitor on Horse _______ 214 Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor ___ 152 (Cm Rhino) Ordo-Malleus on Horse _____ 152 Sanctioned Psyker __________ 45 (Cm Rhino) Sanctioned Psyker on Horse _ 32 Commissar __________________ 89 (Cm Rhino) Commissar on Horse _________ 85 Battilion Command __________ 71 (Cm Chimera) Regimental Command ________ 111 (Cm Chimera) Baneblade _________________ 149 Shadowsword _______________ 185 Stormhammer _______________ 169 _ Support Formations: Assault _____ 56 Beastmen ___ 104 Heavy _______ 49 Hive Gang __ 172 Human Bomb _ 125 Militia _____ 14 Patrol ______ 75 [5 Tactical, 5 Recon Vehicle (Heavy)] Penal _______ 30 Rocket ______ 18 Tactical ____ 41 Warrior _____ 51 Rough Rider __ 106 Imperial Bike _ 69 Robot ___ 196 Sentinel _ 78 Artillery Tractor _ 35 Leman Russ ________ 91 Ragnarok _________ 119 Recon _____________ 58 [5 Recon Vehicle; BP3, Morale 5] Sabre _____________ 58 Salamander ________ 65 Vindicator ________ 72 Zulu AA ___________ 21 Infantry Gun _ 0 (-3) Mole Mortar _ 40 Rapier ______ 10 Tarantula ___ 61 Thudd Gun ___ 35 Basilisk ____ 287 Earthshaker _ 257 Manticore ___ 112 Whirlwind ____ 77 Thunderbolt _ 443 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
Found and fixed as error with values for Robot. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
Found and corrected a few errors with formation costs. I had a few related errors all dealing with Sectional HQ that affected the Beastmen Company and most Support formations. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri May 01, 2015 11:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
OP updated for tweak 3 costs. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sun May 17, 2015 3:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
OP updated. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
OP updated for V0.33 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
OP updated to V0.4 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
OP updated to V0.41 Added Morale and Command / Orders adjustments to Model value. Removed Formation type adjustments. |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
OP updated to V0.42 |
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| Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for PDF |
OP updated. |
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