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Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Updated values for tweak2. Model: Tweak 2 _ Ork models: Freebooterz Kaptin: _28 Freebooterz Boyz: ___ 3 Mekboy: ____________ 49 Mega-Gargant Kaptin: 66 Painboy: ___________ 43 Runtherd: __________ 41 Stormboy Kaptin: ___ 45 Warboss: ___________ 88 Warlord: __________ 115 Weirdboy: _________ 190.2 Weirdboy Minder: ___ 13 Bad Moon Boyz: ____ 17 Blood Axe Boyz: ___ 13 BA Kommando Kaptin: 60.5 BA Kommando: ______ 43 Deathskull Boyz: __ 13 Deathskull Shoota:_ 22 Evil Sunz Boyz: ___ 13 Goff Boyz: ________ 23 Gretchin: __________ 1.9 Madboyz: __________ 13 Nobz: _____________ 79 Riggerz: __________ 16 Snakebite Boyz: ___ 18 Stormboyz: ________ 21 Wildboyz: _________ 21 Bikeboyz: ______ 36.68 Nobz Warbike: _ 113.5 Boarboyz SN: ___ 32.68 Killer Dreadnought: _______ 26 Dreadnought, Onslaughter: _ 45 Tinbot MK: ________________ 32 Battlewagon: __________________ 35.5 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ 53.75 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ 45.5 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ 74 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Bonebreaka: ___________________ 64.5 Bonecruncha: __________________ 59 Bowelburna ES: ________________ 63.97 Braincrusha: __________________ 47 Copter: _______________________ 59 Cyberwyvern SN: _______________ 65 Doomdiver MagnaKannon MK: _____ 65 Flakwagon MK: _________________ 42 Gobsmasha ES: _________________ 18 Gutrippa G: ___________________ 53 Land Raider BA: _______________ 65.51 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Lungbursta G: _________________ 44 Rhino BA: _____________________ 26.89 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Scorcha: ______________________ 31.44 Spleenrippa ES: _______________ 31.5 Squiggoth: ____________________ 55 Trukk: ________________________ 35.51 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Warbuggy: _____________________ 38 [Transport 1: LA1/0] Wartrak: ______________________ 34 [Transport 1: LA1/0] Weirdboy Battletower BM: _____ 210.2 Bubble Chukka Speedsta: _____ 46.6 Destrukta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 91.75 Dragsta: ____________________ 91.6 Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ____ 108.6 Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: ______ 63.1 Field Gun / Hop Splat: _ 18 Lobba: __________________ 9 Shokk Attack Gun MK: ___ 14.2 Zzap Gun: ______________ -3 Pulsa Rokkit MK: __ 74 Squig Katapult: ___ 26.8 Soopa Gun MK: ____ 132 Traktor Kannon: ___ 12 Blasta Bomma: _________ 563.9 Bomma: ________________ 156 Fighta-Bomma MK: ______ 231 Landa: ________________ 102 [Transport 7: I1/1, W1/2] Supa Trans'ort Rokkit: _ 91.05 [Transport 5: I1/1, W1/2] Gibletgrinda: _____________ 179.3 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: _ 205.4 Mega-Squiggoth: ___________ 430.3 Skullhamma: _______________ 139.9 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Stompa: ___________________ 127.1 Super Stompa: _____________ 171.1 Mekboy Gargant hull: _ 390.5 Slasha Gargant hull: _ 463 Great Gargant hull: __ 634.8 Mega-Gargant: _______ 1318 Note that Mekboy Gargants now must purchase two arm weapons instead of having a fixed cost. See below for list. Formations (default BP 100%) _ Company Bad Moon Clan: ___ 316 Blood Axe Clan: __ 346 Deathskull Clan: _ 291 Evil Sunz Clan: __ 319 Goff Clan: _______ 558 Snakebite Clan: __ 371 Kult of Speed: ___ 542 Wildboyz Horde: __ 449 Mega-Gargant: ___ 1660 _ Special Blasta Bomma: ______________ 632 Freebooterz: ________________ 25 Gretchin Horde: ______________ 6 Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: __ 206 Landa Mob: _________________ 444 Mekboy: _____________________ 57 Painboy: ____________________ 50 Renegade Mekboyz: varies, any 8 of _ Bubble Chukka: _______________ 37 each _ Destruckta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 73 each _ Dragsta: _____________________ 73 each _ Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ______ 86 each _ Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: _______ 50 each Runtherd: ___________________ 46 Supa Trans'ort Rokkit Mob: _ 404 Warboss: ___________________ 426 Warlord & Stompa: __________ 712 Weirdboy & Minderz: ________ 139 Mekboy Gargant hull: _______ 437 +2 weapons Slasha Gargant hull: _______ 519 +2 weapons Great Gargant hull: ________ 711 +2 weapons Gargant Big Mob: varies any Warboss or Warlord formation may upgrade to: Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ +26 Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ +14 Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ +54 _ Support Extra Bad Moon Boyz: ___ 30 Extra Blood Axe Boyz: __ 23 Extra Deathskull Boyz: _ 23 Extra Evil Sunz: _______ 33 [3 Boyz, 1 Battlewagon] Extra Evil Sunz Boyz: __ 23 [4 Boyz] Extra Goff Boyz: _______ 40 Extra Snakebite Boyz: __ 32 Extra Nobz: ___________ 221 BA Kommandos: _________ 151 DS Shoota: _____________ 39 Gretchin Mob: ___________ 3 Madmob: ________________ 36 Stormboyz Korps: _______ 88 Wildmob: _______________ 37 Bikeboyz Mob: _____ 97 ES Nobz Warbike: _ 477 Sn Boarboyz Mob: __ 86 Killa Kan Mob: ___ 46 Onslaughter Mob: _ 79 Tinbot Mob: _____ 118 BM Weirdboy Battletower: _ 185 Battlewagon: ______________ 62 BA Land Raider: __________ 115 BA Rhino: _________________ 47 Bonebreaka: ______________ 114 Bonecruncha: _____________ 104 Braincrusha: ______________ 83 Copter: __________________ 177 Doomdiver AA: _____________ 57 ES Bowelburna: ___________ 113 ES Gobsmasha: _____________ 48 ES Spleenrippa: ___________ 55 Flakwagon AA: _____________ 74 Gf Gutrippa: ______________ 93 Gf Lungbursta: ____________ 77 Scorcha: __________________ 55 Sn Cyberwyvern: __________ 172 Sn Squiggoth: _____________ 97 Trukk: ____________________ 94 Warbuggy: ________________ 100 Wartrak: __________________ 90 MK Bubble Chukka: _____________ 41 MK Destrukta Rokkit Speedsta: _ 81 MK Dragsta: ___________________ 81 MK Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ____ 96 MK Lifta-Droppa: ______________ 56 Hop-Splat: ________ 48 Lobba: ____________ 24 Skokk Attack Gun: _ 25 Zzap Gun: __________ 0 (-8) Pulsa Rokkit: _____ 130 Sn Squig Katapult: _ 47 Soopa Gun: ________ 145 Traktor Kannon: ____ 32 Bomma: _________________ 302 Fighta-Bomma: __________ 447 Landa: __________________ 99 Supa Rokkit Trans'ort: _ 112 Gibletgrinda: ___ 251 Mega-Squiggoth: _ 379 Skullhamma: _____ 196 Stompaz: ________ 313 Supa Stompa: ____ 211 _ Mekboy Gargant Weapons: Buzz Saw Arm: ________ 4 Krusher Arm: _________ 3 Kustom Kannon: ______ 63 Super-Lifta Droppa: _ 95 _ Gargant Weapons: ___ uses __ cost _ cost with Observation Turret Battle Cannon Head _____ G ____ 34 ___ 42 Battle Cannon Turret ___ G ____ 13 ___ 16 Cluster Buster _________ S ____ 38 Deth Kannon ____________ S ____ 90 Flak Kannon ____________ G,S __ 22 Gatling Cannon _________ G ____ 45 ___ 56 Gork Head Traktor Kannon G,S __ 45 ___ 56 Gutbuster, Augmented ___ G ____ 97 __ 121 Gutbuster ______________ G,S __ 69 ___ 86 Magna Kannon ___________ G,S _ 269 __ 336 Magnum Mega-Cannon _____ G ____ 48 ___ 60 Mork Head with Scorcher_ G,S __ 40 ___ 50 Observation Turret _____ G _____ 0 plus alters cost of other weapons Ripper Fist ____________ G,S __ 14 Scorcher Turret ________ G ____ 12 ___ 15 Slasha Attack Gun ______ S ____ 63 Snapper ________________ G,S _ 200 Super Lifta-Droppa _____ G ____ 95 __ 118 |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Updated values for Tweak 3: ____ Model: Tweak 3 _ Ork models: Freebooterz Kaptin: _22 Freebooterz Boyz: ___ 5.25 Mekboy: ____________ 39.75 Mega-Gargant Kaptin: 46.5 Painboy: ___________ 33.75 Runtherd: __________ 31.75 Stormboy Kaptin: ___ 35.13 Warboss: ___________ 63.63 Warlord: ___________ 80.88 Weirdboy: _________ 190.7 Weirdboy Minder: ___ 10.25 Bad Moon Boyz: ____ 14.25 Blood Axe Boyz: ___ 10.25 BA Kommando Kaptin: 46.38 BA Kommando: ______ 33.75 Deathskull Boyz: __ 10.25 Deathskull Shoota:_ 22.5 Evil Sunz Boyz: ___ 10.25 Goff Boyz: ________ 13.75 Gretchin: __________ 5.65 Madboyz: __________ 10.25 Nobz: _____________ 59.5 Riggerz: __________ 13.25 Snakebite Boyz: ___ 12 Stormboyz: ________ 17.63 Wildboyz: _________ 11.75 Bikeboyz: ______ 36.68 Nobz Warbike: _ 109 Boarboyz SN: ___ 31.68 Killer Dreadnought: _______ 26 Dreadnought, Onslaughter: _ 43 Tinbot MK: ________________ 31 Battlewagon: __________________ 42 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ 60.25 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ 52 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ 80.5 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Bonebreaka: ___________________ 76.5 Bonecruncha: __________________ 71 Bowelburna ES: ________________ 70.22 Braincrusha: __________________ 52.25 Copter: _______________________ 64.5 Cyberwyvern SN: _______________ 73.75 Doomdiver MagnaKannon MK: _____ 70 Flakwagon MK: _________________ 48.5 Gobsmasha ES: _________________ 22.75 Gutrippa G: ___________________ 65 Land Raider BA: _______________ 75.76 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Lungbursta G: _________________ 50.75 Rhino BA: _____________________ 31.64 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Scorcha: ______________________ 37.69 Spleenrippa ES: _______________ 36 Squiggoth: ____________________ 69.25 Trukk: ________________________ 40.01 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Warbuggy: _____________________ 46 [Transport 1: LA1/0] Wartrak: ______________________ 40.25 [Transport 1: LA1/0] Weirdboy Battletower BM: _____ 216.7 Bubble Chukka Speedsta: ______ 54.5 Destrukta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 101.2 Dragsta: _____________________ 99 Kustom Kannon Speedsta: _____ 118 Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: _______ 71.25 Field Gun / Hop Splat: _ 28.5 Lobba: _________________ 19.25 Shokk Attack Gun MK: ___ 17.95 Zzap Gun: _______________ 7 Pulsa Rokkit MK: __ 79.75 Squig Katapult: ___ 33.8 Soopa Gun MK: ____ 138 Traktor Kannon: ___ 17.25 Blasta Bomma: _________ 434.9 Bomma: ________________ 152.5 Fighta-Bomma MK: ______ 227.3 Landa: ________________ 108 [Transport 7: I1/1, W1/2] Supa Trans'ort Rokkit: _ 89.55 [Transport 5: I1/1, W1/2] Gibletgrinda: _____________ 190.5 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: _ 224.4 Mega-Squiggoth: ___________ 445 Skullhamma: _______________ 137.8 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2] Stompa: ___________________ 142.6 Super Stompa: _____________ 190.1 Mekboy Gargant hull: _ 305.5 Slasha Gargant hull: _ 400 Great Gargant hull: __ 559.8 Mega-Gargant: _______ 1626 Note that Mekboy Gargants now must purchase two arm weapons instead of having a fixed cost. See below for list. Formations (default BP 100%) _ Company Bad Moon Clan: ___ 311 Blood Axe Clan: __ 381 Deathskull Clan: _ 283 Evil Sunz Clan: __ 343 Goff Clan: _______ 528 Snakebite Clan: __ 370 Kult of Speed: ___ 721 Wildboyz Horde: __ 294 Mega-Gargant: ___ 2049 _ Special Blasta Bomma: ______________ 487 Freebooterz: ________________ 30 Gretchin Horde: _____________ 17 Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: __ 238 Landa Mob: _________________ 418 Mekboy: _____________________ 58 Painboy: ____________________ 51 Renegade Mekboyz: varies, any 8 of _ Bubble Chukka: _______________ 38 each _ Destruckta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 71 each _ Dragsta: _____________________ 70 each _ Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ______ 83 each _ Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: _______ 50 each Runtherd: ___________________ 36 Supa Trans'ort Rokkit Mob: _ 353 Warboss: ___________________ 336 Warlord & Stompa: __________ 660 Weirdboy & Minderz: ________ 136 Mekboy Gargant hull: _______ 342 +2 weapons Slasha Gargant hull: _______ 448 +2 weapons Great Gargant hull: ________ 627 +2 weapons Gargant Big Mob: varies any Warboss or Warlord formation may upgrade to: Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ +55 Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ +42 Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ +88 _ Support Extra Bad Moon Boyz: ___ 26 Extra Blood Axe Boyz: __ 19 Extra Deathskull Boyz: _ 19 Extra Evil Sunz: _______ 42 [3 Boyz, 1 Battlewagon] Extra Evil Sunz Boyz: __ 19 [4 Boyz] Extra Goff Boyz: _______ 25 Extra Snakebite Boyz: __ 22 Extra Nobz: ___________ 242 BA Kommandos: _________ 117 DS Shoota: _____________ 42 Gretchin Mob: __________ 10 Madmob: ________________ 32 Stormboyz Korps: _______ 62 Wildmob: _______________ 22 Bikeboyz Mob: _____ 97 ES Nobz Warbike: _ 580 Sn Boarboyz Mob: __ 84 Killa Kan Mob: ___ 48 Onslaughter Mob: _ 79 Tinbot Mob: _____ 145 BM Weirdboy Battletower: _ 191 Battlewagon: ______________ 73 BA Land Raider: __________ 131 BA Rhino: _________________ 55 Bonebreaka: ______________ 132 Bonecruncha: _____________ 123 Braincrusha: ______________ 90 Copter: __________________ 194 Doomdiver AA: _____________ 62 ES Bowelburna: ___________ 121 ES Gobsmasha: _____________ 60 ES Spleenrippa: ___________ 62 Flakwagon AA: _____________ 84 Gf Gutrippa: _____________ 112 Gf Lungbursta: ____________ 88 Scorcha: __________________ 65 Sn Cyberwyvern: __________ 195 Sn Squiggoth: ____________ 120 Trukk: ___________________ 106 Warbuggy: ________________ 121 Wartrak: _________________ 106 MK Bubble Chukka: _____________ 48 MK Destrukta Rokkit Speedsta: _ 89 MK Dragsta: ___________________ 87 MK Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ___ 104 MK Lifta-Droppa: ______________ 63 Hop-Splat: ________ 75 Lobba: ____________ 51 Skokk Attack Gun: _ 33 Zzap Gun: _________ 18 Pulsa Rokkit: _____ 138 Sn Squig Katapult: _ 58 Soopa Gun: ________ 152 Traktor Kannon: ____ 46 Bomma: _________________ 290 Fighta-Bomma: __________ 432 Landa: _________________ 105 Supa Rokkit Trans'ort: _ 110 Gibletgrinda: ___ 267 Mega-Squiggoth: _ 392 Skullhamma: _____ 193 Stompaz: ________ 416 Supa Stompa: ____ 234 _ Mekboy Gargant Weapons: Buzz Saw Arm: _______ 28 Krusher Arm: _________ 3 Kustom Kannon: ______ 63 Super-Lifta Droppa: _ 95 _ Gargant Weapons: ___ uses __ cost _ cost with Observation Turret Battle Cannon Head _____ G ____ 34 ___ 42 Battle Cannon Turret ___ G ____ 13 ___ 16 Cluster Buster _________ S ____ 38 Deth Kannon ____________ S ____ 90 Flak Kannon ____________ G,S __ 22 Gatling Cannon _________ G ____ 45 ___ 56 Gork Head Traktor Kannon G,S __ 45 ___ 56 Gutbuster, Augmented ___ G ____ 97 __ 121 Gutbuster ______________ G,S __ 69 ___ 86 Magna Kannon ___________ G,S _ 269 __ 336 Magnum Mega-Cannon _____ G ____ 48 ___ 60 Mork Head with Scorcher_ G,S __ 40 ___ 50 Observation Turret _____ G _____ 0 plus alters cost of other weapons Ripper Fist ____________ G,S __ 14 Scorcher Turret ________ G ____ 12 ___ 15 Slasha Attack Gun ______ S ____ 63 Snapper ________________ G,S _ 170 Super Lifta-Droppa _____ G ____ 95 __ 118 |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri May 01, 2015 7:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Updated OP with current costs. |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sun May 17, 2015 2:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
OP updated for Template adjustments. |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon May 25, 2015 4:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
OP updated. I found an error with the Move value for Transport cost with the following models: Trukk, Warbuggy, Wartrak, Skullhamma. These are now corrected. |
Author: | The Bissler [ Mon May 25, 2015 7:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
This gets a big thumbs up from me! |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
OP updated to V0.33. |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
OP updated to V0.34. Oddly, the Mekboy Gargant went up a small amount, the Slasha stayed exactly the same, the Great went down a bit, and the Mega went down a lot. |
Author: | primarch [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
MagnusIlluminus wrote: OP updated to V0.34. Oddly, the Mekboy Gargant went up a small amount, the Slasha stayed exactly the same, the Great went down a bit, and the Mega went down a lot. Hi! It would seem that the trend is as the number of hit location boxes increases the new cost decreases. So perhaps the template for the mekboy is such a small number of hit location boxes it actually goes up. Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
The Mekboy Gargant also has more bits sticking off while the others are just great gobs of locations. Rather like the Capitol Imperialis. |
Author: | primarch [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
Hi! The only two things that jump out at me for a further look at are the Goffik wagon and the snapper weapon for gargants. Both seem rather high in cost for what they normally can achieve. Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
I find it odd that you think that the Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon formation seems overpriced now, as it is about 3/4ths of what it cost under Gold. Still, let's look at it. The Wagon itself is a Super Heavy, thus base cost is 10. Terrain Access cost is 1.75; Move of 10cm costs 2, and mods are 1 so Move value is 3.5 (1.75 *2 *1) It has a 1+ Armor Save and is Super Heavy, so cost here is 27 (6 *1.5 *3) CAF is +10 so value here is 97.5 ((10 +1.75 +2 +1 -5) *10) Weapons cost a total of 45.75: _ Kannonz cost 12 (base *3 shots *50cm *5+ *-1 = 2 *3 *1 *1 *2 =12) _ Sound Blaster costs 33.75 (template *4+ *-1 *special *single shot = 15 *1.5 *2 *1.5 *0.5 = 33.75) [error: the modifier here for single-shot should be 0.2 not 0.5. I'm also thinking that the modifier for the Special - that surviving models are unable to act next turn (including Titans) - is under priced at 1.5.] Special Abilities cost is 49.05 _ PD4 is 4.05 _ 1d3 Power Fields is 10 (5 per, average of 2) _ Ork models within 6cm gain a Psychic Save of 4+ (10) _ Weirdboyz within 6cm gain +2d6 points but explode on 5+ (10) _ Ork Mobz with a model within 6cm are immune to Morale effects, gains CAF +1, and takes -1 to all to hit rolls (25) _ If wagon is destroyed, all Ork models within 6cm take a Morale check or go Frenzy (10) Thus model cost is 10 +3.5 +27 +97.5 + 46 +49.05 = 232.8 Formation costs: _ It's Morale score of -- adjusts it by *1.4 for a value of 325.92. _ As it is not a Command model or Independent it is subject to the Ork Command rules and thus is adjusted by *0.8. As it would share whatever default Instinctive behavior as the Clan it is attached to, it is also adjusted by *1.1 due to better than standard Instinctive behavior. These bring the model value to 286.81. _ The formation also includes a detachment of 5 bouncer Boyz (same stats as Goff; cost 12.98 each after Ork Command and Instinctive adjustments), but these are irrelevant for Break Point, so they are added in as half their Morale adjustment (0.35 as half of 0.7 for Morale of --). This brings the final formation cost to 247.62, which rounds to 248. [Another error here. The bouncer boys have a Morale score of 4, as Goff boyz do, so they should be added at 0.15 instead of 0.35.] Fixing the errors with the Sound Blaster and the bouncer boys alters: _ Sound Blaster costs 27 (template *4+ *-1 *special *single shot = 15 *1.5 *2 *3 *0.2 = 27) Model cost is thus 226.05 Formation cost is 230.583 with bouncer boyz value adjusted, rounds to 231. |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
The Snapper Gargant weapon does have a big error. It appears that when I changed the way that the CAF was calculated for the other factions' Titan weapons, I forgot to update the Gargant weapons. This also affects the Ripper Fist. Though, curiously, the Mekboy Buzz Saw Arm is using the correct calculation. I'll post more details on these in a bit. |
Author: | primarch [ Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
MagnusIlluminus wrote: I find it odd that you think that the Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon formation seems overpriced now, as it is about 3/4ths of what it cost under Gold. Still, let's look at it. The Wagon itself is a Super Heavy, thus base cost is 10. Terrain Access cost is 1.75; Move of 10cm costs 2, and mods are 1 so Move value is 3.5 (1.75 *2 *1) It has a 1+ Armor Save and is Super Heavy, so cost here is 27 (6 *1.5 *3) CAF is +10 so value here is 97.5 ((10 +1.75 +2 +1 -5) *10) Weapons cost a total of 45.75: _ Kannonz cost 12 (base *3 shots *50cm *5+ *-1 = 2 *3 *1 *1 *2 =12) _ Sound Blaster costs 33.75 (template *4+ *-1 *special *single shot = 15 *1.5 *2 *1.5 *0.5 = 33.75) [error: the modifier here for single-shot should be 0.2 not 0.5. I'm also thinking that the modifier for the Special - that surviving models are unable to act next turn (including Titans) - is under priced at 1.5.] Special Abilities cost is 49.05 _ PD4 is 4.05 _ 1d3 Power Fields is 10 (5 per, average of 2) _ Ork models within 6cm gain a Psychic Save of 4+ (10) _ Weirdboyz within 6cm gain +2d6 points but explode on 5+ (10) _ Ork Mobz with a model within 6cm are immune to Morale effects, gains CAF +1, and takes -1 to all to hit rolls (25) _ If wagon is destroyed, all Ork models within 6cm take a Morale check or go Frenzy (10) Thus model cost is 10 +3.5 +27 +97.5 + 46 +49.05 = 232.8 Formation costs: _ It's Morale score of -- adjusts it by *1.4 for a value of 325.92. _ As it is not a Command model or Independent it is subject to the Ork Command rules and thus is adjusted by *0.8. As it would share whatever default Instinctive behavior as the Clan it is attached to, it is also adjusted by *1.1 due to better than standard Instinctive behavior. These bring the model value to 286.81. _ The formation also includes a detachment of 5 bouncer Boyz (same stats as Goff; cost 12.98 each after Ork Command and Instinctive adjustments), but these are irrelevant for Break Point, so they are added in as half their Morale adjustment (0.35 as half of 0.7 for Morale of --). This brings the final formation cost to 247.62, which rounds to 248. [Another error here. The bouncer boys have a Morale score of 4, as Goff boyz do, so they should be added at 0.15 instead of 0.35.] Fixing the errors with the Sound Blaster and the bouncer boys alters: _ Sound Blaster costs 27 (template *4+ *-1 *special *single shot = 15 *1.5 *2 *3 *0.2 = 27) Model cost is thus 226.05 Formation cost is 230.583 with bouncer boyz value adjusted, rounds to 231. Hi! Looks good. I just wanted to see it through like you did above. Nothing further on this unit. Primarch |
Author: | primarch [ Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Orks |
MagnusIlluminus wrote: The Snapper Gargant weapon does have a big error. It appears that when I changed the way that the CAF was calculated for the other factions' Titan weapons, I forgot to update the Gargant weapons. This also affects the Ripper Fist. Though, curiously, the Mekboy Buzz Saw Arm is using the correct calculation. I'll post more details on these in a bit. Hi! Cool! I'll update the comparisons file as soon as they are available. Primarch |
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