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Points formula values for Eldar
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Author:  Storm Puppy [ Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
Okay thanks very much for the great answers everybody. It seems that the very first game I used them I discovered a weird ambiguity in the rules with the Dominatrix. I still think that it's powerful against the Dominatrix because he's so big he's still more likely to be hit by the scatter and at least stunned. But it gives time for the nids to takeout the popup Warphunters before the dominatrix is actually destroyed. I'm thinking lots of snap firing Zoanthropes and Exocrines.
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
Revised point values for revision to Transport.
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_ Eldar models
Avatar: ______________ 437.4
Bonesinger: ___________ 36.5
Bonesinger Jet Bike: __ 63.5
Exarch: ______________ 164
Farseer: ______________ 80.08
Farseer on Jet Bike: _ 142.08
Forward Observer: _____ 46.5
Forward Observer, JB: _ 68.5
Harlequin: ____________ 66.5
Master Mime: __________ 20
Pathfinder: ___________ 80.5
Warlock: _____________ 142.35
Warlock on Jet Bike: _ 196.35

Guardian: _____ 7
Wraithguard: _ 34

Dark Reaper: _______ 35
Dire Avenger: ______ 24
Fire Dragon: _______ 24.38
Howling Banshee: ___ 65
Striking Scorpion: _ 56
Swooping Hawk: _____ 83.5
Warp Spider: ______ 110.5

Jet Bike: _______ 58.3
Shining Spear: _ 111.3
Vyper Jet Bike: _ 54.3

War Walker: _ 27
Wraithlord: _ 33.5

Fire Prism: __________ 64.25
Falcon: ______________ 63.125 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Falcon, Command: ____ 104 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Firestorm: ___________ 98
Peregrine: ___________ 73.131 [Transport 1: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
Peregrine, Command: _ 116.94 [Transport 1: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
Wave Serpent: ________ 62.675 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]

Bright Lance: _ -2.25
Vibro-Cannon: __ 5.06

Doomweaver: __ 44.575
Unicorn: _____ 66.06
Warp Hunter: _ 71

Fire Gale: __________ 123
Fire Reaper: ________ 127
Fire Storm: _________ 156.5
Bright Stallion: ____ 144
Bright Stalker: _____ 144.5
Towering Destroyer: _ 180
Towering Fury: ______ 180.5

Cobra: _________ 157.52
Scorpion: ______ 181.52
Storm Serpent: _ 130.52
Tempest Tank: __ 169.71
Void Spinner: __ 236.52

Nightwing: _ 248.75
Phoenix: ___ 303
Vampyre: ___ 224 [Transport Detachment: I, W, LA]

Phantom Titan hull: ________ 744
Revenant Scout Titan hull: _ 676
Warlock Titan hull: ________ 913

_ Eldar Formations
_Company
Guardian Host: _____ 60
Falcon Host: ______ 310
Defender Warhost: _ 355
Jet Bike Host: ____ 450
Spirit Host: ______ 305
Tempest Host: _____ 670

_Special
Bonesinger, C.Falcon: ____ 60
Bonesinger, C.Peregrine: _ 65
Bonesinger, Jet Bike: ____ 55
Exarchs: ________________ 735
Farseer, C.Falcon: ______ 120
Farseer, C.Peregrine: ___ 120
Farseer, Jet Bike: ______ 160
Forward Observer, CF: ____ 80
Forward Observer, CP: ____ 85
Forward Observer, JB: ____ 75
Harlequin Troupe: _______ 255
Master Mime: _____________ 20
Pathfinders: ____________ 310
Warlock, C.Falcon: ______ 190
Warlock, C.Peregrine: ___ 190
Warlock, Jet Bike: ______ 220

Phantom Titan hull 2 arm 2 wing: __________ 835
Phantom Titan Host, 3 hull 6 arm 6 wing: _ 2500
Revenant Titans: _________________________ 1515
Warlock Titan 2 arm 2 wing: ______________ 1025

_Support
Guardian Detachment: __ 25
Defender Detachment: _ 140
Wraithguard: _________ 190

Dark Reaper: ________ 85
Dire Avenger: _______ 60
Fire Dragon: ________ 60
Howling Banshee: ___ 155
Shining Spears: ____ 265
Striking Scorpion: _ 135
Swooping Hawk: _____ 200
Warp Spider: _______ 265

Jet Bike Squadron: _ 190
Vyper Squadron: ____ 180

War Walker: __ 60
Wraithlord: _ 190

Fire Prism: _______ 70
Falcon Squadron: _ 140
Firestorm AA: ____ 110
Peregrine: _______ 160
Wave Serpent: _____ 70

Bright Lance Battery: __ 0 (-4.95)
Vibro-Cannon Battery: _ 10

Doomweaver: ______ 50
Unicorn Battery: _ 75
Warp Hunter: _____ 80

Fire Knight Detachment: any 3 of
_ Fire Gale each: __________ 100
_ Fire Reaper each: ________ 100
_ Fire Storm each: _________ 125
Bright Warriors: any 3 of
_ Bright Stallion each: ____ 115
_ Bright Stalker each: _____ 115
Towering Knights: any 3 of
_ Towering Destroyer each: _ 145
_ Towering Fury each: ______ 145

Vampyre troop Carrier: __ 245
Nightwing Squadron: _____ 545
Phoenix Fighter Bomber: _ 335

Cobra: _________ 175
Scorpion: ______ 200
Storm Serpent: _ 145
Tempest: _______ 375
Void Spinner: __ 260

_ Eldar Titan Weapons
Distortion Cannon: _____ 30
Flamewind: _____________ 20
Heat Lance: ____________ 20
Power Fist: ____________ 15
Psychic Lance: _________ 20
Pulsar: ________________ 75
Pulse Laser: ___________ 30
Tremor Cannon: _________ 55
Wing Lascannon: ________ 20
Wing Missile Launcher: _ 20
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
Updated Doomweaver and Revenant for errata.
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
Updated for tweak2.

_ Eldar models
Avatar: ______________ 422.8
Bonesinger: ___________ 37
Bonesinger Jet Bike: __ 64
Exarch: ______________ 178
Farseer: ______________ 96.833
Farseer on Jet Bike: _ 158.83
Forward Observer: _____ 47
Forward Observer, JB: _ 69
Harlequin: ____________ 67
Master Mime: __________ 20
Pathfinder: ___________ 80
Warlock: _____________ 205.9
Warlock on Jet Bike: _ 261.9

Guardian: _____ 8
Wraithguard: _ 35

Dark Reaper: _______ 46.5
Dire Avenger: ______ 27
Fire Dragon: _______ 27.75
Howling Banshee: ___ 65.5
Striking Scorpion: _ 56.5
Swooping Hawk: _____ 84
Warp Spider: ______ 110.25

Jet Bike: _______ 58.6
Shining Spear: _ 110.6
Vyper Jet Bike: _ 55.6

War Walker: _ 32
Wraithlord: _ 37

Fire Prism: __________ 80.5
Falcon: ______________ 65.875 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Falcon, Command: ____ 110.13 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Firestorm: __________ 145.25
Peregrine: ___________ 81.263 [Transport 1: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
Peregrine, Command: _ 130.38 [Transport 1: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
Wave Serpent: ________ 61.825 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]

Bright Lance: __ 4.5
Vibro-Cannon: _ 12.094

Doomweaver: __ 49.113
Unicorn: _____ 69.094
Warp Hunter: _ 80.5

Fire Gale: __________ 134
Fire Reaper: ________ 129
Fire Storm: _________ 177
Bright Stallion: ____ 156
Bright Stalker: _____ 157
Towering Destroyer: _ 190
Towering Fury: ______ 191

Cobra: _________ 168.54
Scorpion: ______ 216.04
Storm Serpent: _ 130.04
Tempest Tank: __ 201.41
Void Spinner: __ 298.04

Nightwing: _ 257.5
Phoenix: ___ 394
Vampyre: ___ 231 [Transport Detachment: I, W, LA]

Phantom Titan hull: ________ 681.25
Revenant Scout Titan hull: _ 693.5
Warlock Titan hull: ________ 849.25

_ Eldar Formations
_Company
Guardian Host: _____ 71
Falcon Host: ______ 326
Defender Warhost: _ 378
Jet Bike Host: ____ 456
Spirit Host: ______ 397
Tempest Host: _____ 798

_Special
Bonesinger, C.Falcon: ____ 63
Bonesinger, C.Peregrine: _ 69
Bonesinger, Jet Bike: ____ 56
Exarchs: ________________ 797
Farseer, C.Falcon: ______ 139
Farseer, C.Peregrine: ___ 145
Farseer, Jet Bike: ______ 178
Forward Observer, CF: ____ 83
Forward Observer, CP: ____ 89
Forward Observer, JB: ____ 77
Harlequin Troupe: _______ 257
Master Mime: _____________ 22
Pathfinders: ____________ 307
Warlock, C.Falcon: ______ 261
Warlock, C.Peregrine: ___ 267
Warlock, Jet Bike: ______ 293

Phantom Titan hull 2 arm 2 wing: __________ 763
Phantom Titan Host, 3 hull 6 arm 6 wing: _ 2289
Revenant Titans: _________________________ 1553
Warlock Titan 2 arm 2 wing: _______________ 951

_Support
Guardian Detachment: __ 26
Defender Detachment: _ 150
Wraithguard: _________ 196

Dark Reaper: _______ 112
Dire Avenger: _______ 65
Fire Dragon: ________ 67
Howling Banshee: ___ 157
Shining Spears: ____ 265
Striking Scorpion: _ 136
Swooping Hawk: _____ 202
Warp Spider: _______ 265

Jet Bike Squadron: _ 193
Vyper Squadron: ____ 183

War Walker: __ 70
Wraithlord: _ 207

Fire Prism: _______ 89
Falcon Squadron: _ 145
Firestorm AA: ____ 160
Peregrine: _______ 179
Wave Serpent: _____ 68

Bright Lance Battery: _ 10
Vibro-Cannon Battery: _ 27

Doomweaver: ______ 54
Unicorn Battery: _ 76
Warp Hunter: _____ 89

Fire Knight Detachment: any 3 of
_ Fire Gale each: __________ 107
_ Fire Reaper each: ________ 103
_ Fire Storm each: _________ 142
Bright Warriors: any 3 of
_ Bright Stallion each: ____ 125
_ Bright Stalker each: _____ 126
Towering Knights: any 3 of
_ Towering Destroyer each: _ 152
_ Towering Fury each: ______ 153

Vampyre troop Carrier: __ 254
Nightwing Squadron: _____ 567
Phoenix Fighter Bomber: _ 433

Cobra: _________ 185
Scorpion: ______ 238
Storm Serpent: _ 143
Tempest: _______ 443
Void Spinner: __ 328

_ Eldar Titan Weapons
Distortion Cannon: _____ 45
Flamewind: _____________ 40
Heat Lance: ____________ 43
Power Fist: ____________ 27
Psychic Lance: _________ 30
Pulsar: _______________ 139
Pulse Laser: ___________ 50
Tremor Cannon: _________ 81
Wing Lascannon: ________ 40
Wing Missile Launcher: _ 27
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
Minor edit on Farseer and Warlock, as I forgot to edit their Psychic Powers that act as weapons.
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
Minor update to Firestorm and Doomweaver values.
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Sat May 02, 2015 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
OP updated for Tweak 3 values.
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Sun May 17, 2015 4:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
OP updated.
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
OP updated for V0.33
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
OP updated to V0.34.

Also adjusted default Avatar cost with a -50% modifier because of being uncontrollable by the player.
Author:  primarch [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
MagnusIlluminus wrote:
OP updated to V0.34.

Also adjusted default Avatar cost with a -50% modifier because of being uncontrollable by the player.


Hi!

Nice cost adjustment for the Avatar!

I wonder if there are any other adjustments to other units in the same vein (i.e. units with similar restrictions).

Primarch
Author:  primarch [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
Hi!

The eldar Vibro cannon mount for titans is very costly and perhaps not the greatest of weapons. Certainly not the equal of the pulsar.

Perhaps it needs to be analyzed further.

Primarch
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
Yeah, that issue came up a while ago. It was discussed at the time, but I seem to have done nothing with it.

It is potentially a very powerful weapon. It has the ability to destroy all models (and buildings) along a 100cm line. The problem with it's cost seems to be because of my decision to use the width specified for the Vibro-Cannon (IE, 2cm) as the Tremor Cannon does not specify a width, it just says "a line".

Looking at the math, if I change the width to 1mm (0.1 cm) then the cost drops to 27 (same as a Power Fist). To me, this seems too low. Even 2mm would be too low, IMO. At 5mm (0.5cm) the cost is 134. While this is a bit higher than a Pulsar, to me this feels about right. What do other people think? Which width of line produces the best looking cost for this weapon?
0.1 __ 27
0.2 __ 54
0.3 __ 81
0.4 _ 108
0.5 _ 134

Whichever width is chosen, I'd recommend that the description of the Tremor Cannon be edited to specify the chosen width of line.
Author:  primarch [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
MagnusIlluminus wrote:
Yeah, that issue came up a while ago. It was discussed at the time, but I seem to have done nothing with it.

It is potentially a very powerful weapon. It has the ability to destroy all models (and buildings) along a 100cm line. The problem with it's cost seems to be because of my decision to use the width specified for the Vibro-Cannon (IE, 2cm) as the Tremor Cannon does not specify a width, it just says "a line".

Looking at the math, if I change the width to 1mm (0.1 cm) then the cost drops to 27 (same as a Power Fist). To me, this seems too low. Even 2mm would be too low, IMO. At 5mm (0.5cm) the cost is 134. While this is a bit higher than a Pulsar, to me this feels about right. What do other people think? Which width of line produces the best looking cost for this weapon?
0.1 __ 27
0.2 __ 54
0.3 __ 81
0.4 _ 108
0.5 _ 134

Whichever width is chosen, I'd recommend that the description of the Tremor Cannon be edited to specify the chosen width of line.


Hi!

I like the 0.4 modifier for a total of 108 points. Costly but not more than the pulsar, because nothing is better than the pulsar. ;D ;)

Primarch
Author:  MagnusIlluminus [ Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Points formula values for Eldar
OP updated to V0.4
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