For Army Builder? No.

I forgot about that and was just referring to the xls file I posted elsewhere with all the NetEpic stats.

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Oh, okay, could you point me to that master xls file of all epic stats? I've must have missed them. It will be invaluable for the spreadsheets I'm doing (rather than going book to book like I'm doing now).

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It's in the thread called: "Unit Summary Tables on Excel?" in the 12th post down.

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Got it!

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Argh, forgot to mention "on the third page". Don't use the first one I posted, use the one on page three, as the later one is significantly more complete.

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Ah! okay, I got that one now too.

I'm so glad you got this all in one place, it was becoming a pain flipping back and forth.

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Happy to see the change to transports and removal of rhino. I also remember there being a number of issues with the list used in the gold book as it didn't use the 5.2? Army list that had a number of corrections.

Off the top of my head these included:
hydras were missing from stats and army card
Hell hound was worse than salamander scout stats
storm troopers which you have covered
formatting errors in stats - particularly for weapons

It'll think of others over time but zap123 and I often noted them in our games.
Whilst you on the process of fixing chimeras, will gorgons be dealt with the same way?

Finally please consider inclusion of some new FW types.

Cheers and thanks for your efforts guys.

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What is the issue with gorgons?

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Nothing wrong with them as such stat wise, what I meant to say was would the vehicles become a support upgrade or will they remain as a mechanized company and detachment?

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Ah! I like them mechanized, but as support would be nice. So both?

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Both would be good I suppose. Keep as mech coy for tacticals and as a spt card that can be used to mount other infantry types.

Also this got me thinking over the weekend, if we remove the rhino are we going to remove the rhino hull variants, egg whirlwind and vindicator?

I'm inclined to think they should stay and the odd rhino hull isn't that bad. what about storm troopers? They tend to use both types?

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I'd leave them in. I'd leave the rhinos for stormtroopers to distinguish them from standard guard as well as the use of other rhino hull vehicles. Adds to their charm.

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Pull em all. I don't think Rhinos should be used as parts of Guard lists these days. They have access to more than enough tanks. If people still use the models, then they can just treat them as Chimeras or other tanks.

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I have to agree with Mattman. Coming recently from 40K, it seems very strange to try and think of guard as having Rhino hulls except in the heresy era, and from a meta perspective it seems to me to dilute the flavor of different armies, although that is a loosing battle when it comes to Imperial forces.

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I believe there is consensus to eliminate the rhinos and substitute with chimeras across the board when the IG list is redone.

I have a bunch of vindicators, whirlwinds and predators painted for IG (and I'd imagine a lot of old school folk do too), so I'd keep that option there.

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