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[NE Plat] New Formation Arrangement For Building Armies

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:50 pm 
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Looks interesting so far. Some of the category names seem a little off, but they are probably due to newer stuff in 40K that I'm not familiar with.

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Wow, that is awesome!

Now I so want to do something like this for NEP!

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If I can modifying it to what you need I'm more than happy to help.


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SquiggleAmp wrote:
If I can modifying it to what you need I'm more than happy to help.


Hi!

The template you made will be most useful for the projected new formations scheme. I love how it harkens back to the original AT/SM1 templates for battelgroups! :)

We are waiting for our resident "formations guys" to free up some time to stat laying down the formation structure, but your work on that template will prove very useful to give it a usable form as a play aid.

Kudos to you sir! :)

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this is the full document of my V2.0 draft. feedback appreciated


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using the first example I came up with this


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Hi!

I can't say enough how much I like these!!

Love them!

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MagnusIlluminus wrote:
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Can you explain why you buy rhinos in twos?


Not quite sure what you mean by this. Could you elaborate?


Are you refereing to the (2 stands) listed after the Rhino name, if you are, then it isn't that you are buying two of the Rhino, it just references that the vehicle can carry 2 stands, the Razorback has (1 stand) after its name as it can only carry 1 stand of marines.


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Hi!

I can't say enough how much I like these!!

Love them!

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Indeed, love the look of the layout. What did you use to make them? My concerns would be that with so many formations that these might take up a lot of space, but if it makes things easier for people then it might be worth it. Plus some of the formations may have a variable number of models in them, so will need to figure out a way of representing them.

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If I can modifying it to what you need I'm more than happy to help.


We are waiting for our resident "formations guys" to free up some time to stat laying down the formation structure, but your work on that template will prove very useful to give it a usable form as a play aid.

Kudos to you sir! :)

Primarch


Yeah, lots going on at the moment, but hoping to jump back into it soon, and I have another cool wargaming related project which is almost finished ;D

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Mattman wrote:
MagnusIlluminus wrote:
Nedius wrote:
Can you explain why you buy rhinos in twos?


Not quite sure what you mean by this. Could you elaborate?


Are you refereing to the (2 stands) listed after the Rhino name, if you are, then it isn't that you are buying two of the Rhino, it just references that the vehicle can carry 2 stands, the Razorback has (1 stand) after its name as it can only carry 1 stand of marines.


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Hi!

I can't say enough how much I like these!!

Love them!

Primarch


Indeed, love the look of the layout. What did you use to make them? My concerns would be that with so many formations that these might take up a lot of space, but if it makes things easier for people then it might be worth it. Plus some of the formations may have a variable number of models in them, so will need to figure out a way of representing them.

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SquiggleAmp wrote:
If I can modifying it to what you need I'm more than happy to help.


We are waiting for our resident "formations guys" to free up some time to stat laying down the formation structure, but your work on that template will prove very useful to give it a usable form as a play aid.

Kudos to you sir! :)

Primarch


Yeah, lots going on at the moment, but hoping to jump back into it soon, and I have another cool wargaming related project which is almost finished ;D

Matt


Hi!

I was envisioning using these as templates for people to build there armies off of your formation info. Perhaps a few "generic templates" and a cheat sheet with all the projected new formation info.

Once I see your formation info it will become clearer to me how to use them. :)

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I used Photoshop, Power point and paint and a hell of a lot of time ;) I have a files full of individual JPEG's for each type of unit.
I thought it would be good to have a Section of Company Formations. detailed in it what support they could take and how many i.e. battle company can choose up to 5 units from the following (Support) and 1 from the following (special). You could have with the space marines. Section 1, the 10 codex companies, Armour companies, with specialist companies for Dark Angels Space Wolves etc. at the end. Section 2 Support Formations and Section 3 Special Formations. It has the potential to be a heavy document if looking at the Space marine list which currently contains approximately 37 Company Formations. This could be reduced by doing a codex list and a non codex list. I think it would add a great level of detail and finish to a rule set. I love pouring over an army list. I just read and visualise my FoW formations and my 40k codexes. Are you looking at just doing a list for current 40k formations or including the 2nd edition style setups as I don't think this lends itself well to trying to cover both in a single entry. I am currently updating my unit icons as I don't think they are polished enough. I will look at the old lists and see if I can rustle up something. Anyway would love to help or join the team on this great project.


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I used Photoshop, Power point and paint and a hell of a lot of time ;) I have a files full of individual JPEG's for each type of unit.
I thought it would be good to have a Section of Company Formations. detailed in it what support they could take and how many i.e. battle company can choose up to 5 units from the following (Support) and 1 from the following (special). You could have with the space marines. Section 1, the 10 codex companies, Armour companies, with specialist companies for Dark Angels Space Wolves etc. at the end. Section 2 Support Formations and Section 3 Special Formations. It has the potential to be a heavy document if looking at the Space marine list which currently contains approximately 37 Company Formations. This could be reduced by doing a codex list and a non codex list. I think it would add a great level of detail and finish to a rule set. I love pouring over an army list. I just read and visualise my FoW formations and my 40k codexes. Are you looking at just doing a list for current 40k formations or including the 2nd edition style setups as I don't think this lends itself well to trying to cover both in a single entry. I am currently updating my unit icons as I don't think they are polished enough. I will look at the old lists and see if I can rustle up something. Anyway would love to help or join the team on this great project.


Hi!

I instantly liked them, because they harken back to the old company template method used in the original game. Given that the formation structure being proposed at an element level (models) fits nicely with the way you laid it out.

We'd be very pleased for you to help us out when the time comes. :)

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With the variable numbers in a formation the full formation could be placed in with optional additions being greyed out. i.e. You must take, you may add.


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SquiggleAmp wrote:
I used Photoshop, Power point and paint and a hell of a lot of time ;) I have a files full of individual JPEG's for each type of unit..


A few years a go I spent quite a bit of time trying to recreate the old style army cards for new formations and struggled to make or find decent new silhouettes for the new models. Looking good.

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I thought it would be good to have a Section of Company Formations. detailed in it what support they could take and how many i.e. battle company can choose up to 5 units from the following (Support) and 1 from the following (special). You could have with the space marines. Section 1, the 10 codex companies, Armour companies, with specialist companies for Dark Angels Space Wolves etc. at the end. Section 2 Support Formations and Section 3 Special Formations. It has the potential to be a heavy document if looking at the Space marine list which currently contains approximately 37 Company Formations. This could be reduced by doing a codex list and a non codex list. I think it would add a great level of detail and finish to a rule set.


There have been a lot of discussions about the how to layout the army lists for Platinum and to save on space and not having to create one massive book that may require constant updates, I think we were going to go with a basic book for each race that was chapter/craftworld/guild non specific, then gradually release those chapters etc as addendums. It would mean that there is at least a basic army list for everyone to work with, even if we haven't got round to working out chapter rules yet.

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I love pouring over an army list. I just read and visualise my FoW formations and my 40k codexes. Are you looking at just doing a list for current 40k formations or including the 2nd edition style setups as I don't think this lends itself well to trying to cover both in a single entry. I am currently updating my unit icons as I don't think they are polished enough. I will look at the old lists and see if I can rustle up something. Anyway would love to help or join the team on this great project.


I have gone through a few ideas, but to allow both old and new players to use the lists I am setting the formations out to be as flexible as possible. For example (though it isn't finalised yet), a Battle Company would look something like this:

HQ Stand
1-2 Tactical Detachments
- Each tactical detachment is comprised of 4-6 tactical stands
1 Assault Detachment
- The assault detachment is comprised of 4-6 assault stands
1 Devastator Detachment
- The devastator detachment is comprised of 4-6 devastator stands
The following transports may be purchased for the formation, Rhino, Razorback, Thunderhawk Gunship, Storm Eagle Gunship, Assault Drop Pod, Damocles Command Rhino.

This allows players to build the battle company in the original classic way (3 detachments each of 6 stands) or the modern way (2 tactical detachments of 6 stands each, and assault/devastator detachments of 4 stands each) or the player can create something of their own if they have come up which their own chapter and doesn't want it to follow the normal codex rules. Obviously we could just put two entries into the army list covering both options, but this covers everything in a single entry and will save on space.

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wow SquiggleAmp those are fantastic


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