The Bissler wrote:
Hello all! I had a bit of an interesting situation at the weekend which I thought was worth sharing. The situation involved a Leviathan and I wanted to know your feelings about what happened:-
i) The Leviathan was attacked by Jet-bikes. Being 2 classes above the bikes, the Leviathan could ignore them and engage in ranged combat as normal. I took this to mean that the enemy could also target the Leviathan even though it was engaged in close combat with the bikes (provided they weren't firing at the Leviathan with anything that used a burtst template). Was this correct?
ii) An Eldar Avatar engaged the Leviathan in close combat. While I couldn't find a description, I took it to be that the Avatar was equivalent in size to a Knight. While this did mean that the Leviathan could not be pinned by the Avatar, it could only fire at the Avatar this turn as it is wasn't 2 pinning classes above to allow it to ignore the Avatar and fire at something else. This also meant that the Leviathan could not be fired upon by other enemy units. Was this correct?
iii) Because the Leviathan wasn't pinned, it could then move out of cc in the following turn. But the Avatar followed it and therefore the outcome was a repeat of situation ii). I was wondering what would have happened had the Avatar attacked the Leviathan in the previous turn and destroyed the track, meaning that the Leviathan could no longer move. Would the Leviathan still be able to fire at the Avatar in the next round?
Sorry for inflicting yet another rules query on you all!
i) The Leviathan was attacked by Jet-bikes. Being 2 classes above the bikes, the Leviathan could ignore them and engage in ranged combat as normal. I took this to mean that the enemy could also target the Leviathan even though it was engaged in close combat with the bikes (provided they weren't firing at the Leviathan with anything that used a burtst template). Was this correct?
ii) An Eldar Avatar engaged the Leviathan in close combat. While I couldn't find a description, I took it to be that the Avatar was equivalent in size to a Knight. While this did mean that the Leviathan could not be pinned by the Avatar, it could only fire at the Avatar this turn as it is wasn't 2 pinning classes above to allow it to ignore the Avatar and fire at something else. This also meant that the Leviathan could not be fired upon by other enemy units. Was this correct?
iii) Because the Leviathan wasn't pinned, it could then move out of cc in the following turn. But the Avatar followed it and therefore the outcome was a repeat of situation ii). I was wondering what would have happened had the Avatar attacked the Leviathan in the previous turn and destroyed the track, meaning that the Leviathan could no longer move. Would the Leviathan still be able to fire at the Avatar in the next round?
Sorry for inflicting yet another rules query on you all!
Hi!
1. Since no "pinning" occurred, the leviathan can be targeted by shots coming from outside the close combat. Remember that jetbikes are skimmers, so the leviathan cant pin them either! Thus you could pick off the jetbikes from outside as well. You did it correctly.
2. The avatar is "knight class" which is lesser than the leviathans "praetorian" class, so the avatar cannot pin it, thus the leviathan could fire all its weapon at it at point blank range! So yes, you could fire at the avatar.
I can tell your opponent is still playing "classic" space marine second edition and has not adapted his tactics to the netepic rules.
All these things you are pointing out were intended by the rules changes in netepic. This avoids a lot of "gamesmanship" that the old rules permitted. The original rules permitted you to "hide" large units like titans and such by engaging close combat. You cant do that under netepic rules. It also balances skimmer units that had no disadvantages. Now if they engage in close combat they cant be picked off by outside units, unless they engage other skimmers.
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