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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:08 pm 
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As per title: One icky slimy niddy book ready for proof reading ;)

http://filevo.com/hne26gwbmlrx.html

I think Bans wants to update one of his illustrations later on. Also we're missing some of those home-made units, but I still hope someone will come forward with these. ( E&C? )
I haven't really been able to decide werther to add some proper Bio-titan pics. The datafaxes haven't got room to make it look consistant, so they should probably be added elsewhere if indeed they should be added. Suggestions are welcome.

Similar to the Tau book, proof reading for the Tyranids runs throughout October and ends November 1st at which time the book should be considered closed for now.

PS: Whomever can name every single animal part used for the background image will recieve a free cookie!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:05 pm 
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:o awesome background, some of the bits look like: back of an insect, some sort of sea shell, earth worm/caterpillar (possibly caterpillar with earth worm texture?!), head of some sort of louse and/or crab maybe, some sort of beetle's pincers, and i don't want to try and guess what the fleshy red things on the sides are 0.o

First line indent, use consistently, should not be used for first para under a new heading, eg p3 vs p4. p6 you have 2 consecutive paras without an indent, affects whole text atm, just looks messy currently.

Imo the indent is too big, but same in other books anyway so meh.

Something i notice in this book particularly but may apply to others, use of 'two' vs 2 etc. You use numeric figures almost always, in this book at least some should be words, eg p7 'successful in regenerating 2 of those wounds'. Bit awkward because often it is a 'points' type thing for a specific numeric variable, but some in this book should def be words when in continuous text.

If vs is a contraction of versus there probably should not be a . after it, there should be no full stop for contractions, full stop only used for abbreviations. Probably applies to other books.

p1 the 'you know what', 'you know where' ;D
p6 you're using * where it should be × (note: needs to be × not x)
p9 lictor image text wrap is fubar
p9 'least a -1 To-Hit' -1 needs to be a minus sign not a hyphen
p14 text breaking very strangely across column
p16 top 2nd column, widowed line
p16 'with a -4 TSM or' use minus symbol not hyphen
p17 weapons summary table, minus singes needed. Same table, inconsistent use of full stops at end of Notes entries
p18 en dashes needed many places
p19 as above
p24 minus singes needed not hyphens
p25 minus singes needed not hyphens

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 Post subject: Re: Tyranid Book Proof Reading
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:14 pm 
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Also not 100% sold on that being a nid typeface... distressed type maybe, stencilled letters not so much :)

Full cap headings in stencil (capture it) really need tracking out as well, fine in Tau as SpaceAge is pretty spaced, but these are looking tight.

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 Post subject: Re: Tyranid Book Proof Reading
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:31 pm 
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I agree regarding the typeface: It was my second choice, but unfortunately the one I originally wanted to use had some copyright issues. The original can be seen on the back of the Hive Mind cards and is more similar to Impact. I haven't bothered digging around for a replacement, but if you happen to know a good one available online I'm all for changing it :)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:32 pm 
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I still hope someone will come forward with these. ( E&C? )

Throw things at me if I don't do some photography tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Tyranid Book Proof Reading
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:05 pm 
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nothing springs to mind, loads of distressed but non-stencil fonts on dafont that you could probably use, nothing really grabs me though.
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Or maybe moving away from blocky sans serif would be better? they look a bit concrete and constructed rather than organic. A slightly spidery and distressed serif maybe.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:41 pm 
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didn't the 3rd ed nid codex have a sort of antique/slight distressed caslon in it? might be worth a look.

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 Post subject: Re: Tyranid Book Proof Reading
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:51 pm 
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All of this is intended to be constructive and some clarifications are intended to make it easier for a green Epic player to read the book.

P3 - " -- hive minds that are many linked minds" --> "hive minds made up of many linked minds."
P3-4 - Pet Peeve "comprehension" split across pages
P5 - ", but no more than one per 3000 points." --> ", and may add one additional per 3000 points."
P5 - "This unit coherency applies even when using instinctive orders." This is confusing as the only time Instinct should take over is if a unit is out of coherency OR broken.
P5 - "types of Tyranid creatures: Command, Independent and" --> "Command" should be "Synapse" to match next paragraph
P7 - Clarify that a Dominatrix has 4 wounds to start with.
P8 - Capitalize "Skimmer" in Gargoyle description.
P9 - add that Genestealer Cultist units are Slave and Independent
P11 - Make the use of the plural Haruspexi consistent
P11 - Malefactor Text overflows into divider graphic.
P11-P12 "disembarking" split across pages
P12 - "Spore" in the Harridan Description should be plural, "Transport" should be capitalized.

please take all suggestions as constructive, thanks for your hard work!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:46 pm 
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madmagician wrote:
please take all suggestions as constructive, thanks for your hard work!



Hehe. No worries mate :) All critique is much appreciated. Besides: I'm just doing the layout, so I have no particular feelings regarding text and wording, as basically I just got sent a word document to "prettify" ;)
Shoot away: We want these books to be as good as possible :)

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madmagician wrote:
All of this is intended to be constructive and some clarifications are intended to make it easier for a green Epic player to read the book.

P5 - ", but no more than one per 3000 points." --> ", and may add one additional per 3000 points."
P5 - "This unit coherency applies even when using instinctive orders." This is confusing as the only time Instinct should take over is if a unit is out of coherency OR broken.

please take all suggestions as constructive, thanks for your hard work!


- Please keep the "no more than one per 3000 points" wording as this has a different meaning to the proposed changed wording.
- Instinctive orders can apply when the unit is out of hive mind radius.

Other suggestions are correct.


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 Post subject: Re: Tyranid Book Proof Reading
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:12 pm 
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zap123 wrote:
madmagician wrote:
P5 - "This unit coherency applies even when using instinctive orders." This is confusing as the only time Instinct should take over is if a unit is out of coherency OR broken.


- Instinctive orders can apply when the unit is out of hive mind radius.



I miswrote this. What I meant was that Instinctive orders should only be used when an unit is in one of 2 situations a) Out of hive mind radius, or b) broken. To me that means that Coherency and Instinctive orders are mutually exclusive as a unit would be on "No Orders" orders if it was simply out of coherency, "No Orders" orders if orders were not placed and "Instinctive" Orders if any other condition were met or any combination of a, b and the above. So why is coherency required if a unit is on Instinctive orders?

Honest question, not just trying to argue for the internet hell of it.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:32 am 
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A few more things:


P13 Col 1 - Graphics spacing seems a bit off
P14 - Trygon Text wrap is wonky
P16 - Bio Cannon Description - "Anti-Aircraft" should be capitalized and what is "fast tracking" and "thruster"?
P23 - for army cards, a single unit should be consistantly "1 Model name" or simply "Model Name"
P23 - add another title bar at the top of the 2nd column for clarity

Overall, the colors used for the table background print off too dark on a b/w printer making the tables sometimes difficult to read

Also, is there a "Barbed" Heirodule? Should the Barbed and Scythed Heirodules be Knights or Titans a-la the Warhound? Will there be a Hydraphant? Reading around the web I found that with the introduction of the Barbed and Scythed Heirodules, the Heirophant became the old Heiorodule and the Hydraphant became the old Heirophant. Does the 'i' come before the 'e' since there is no 'c' before them ;) ?


Hope I helped!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:45 am 
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madmagician wrote:

I miswrote this. What I meant was that Instinctive orders should only be used when an unit is in one of 2 situations a) Out of hive mind radius, or b) broken. To me that means that Coherency and Instinctive orders are mutually exclusive as a unit would be on "No Orders" orders if it was simply out of coherency, "No Orders" orders if orders were not placed and "Instinctive" Orders if any other condition were met or any combination of a, b and the above. So why is coherency required if a unit is on Instinctive orders?

Honest question, not just trying to argue for the internet hell of it.


Coherency refers to the brood itself, so even when Instinctive, the individual stands/vehicles within the brood must maintain unit coherency (normally 6cm).


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madmagician wrote:
A few more things:


P16 - Bio Cannon Description - "Anti-Aircraft" should be capitalized and what is "fast tracking" and "thruster"?

Also, is there a "Barbed" Heirodule? Should the Barbed and Scythed Heirodules be Knights or Titans a-la the Warhound? Will there be a Hydraphant? Reading around the web I found that with the introduction of the Barbed and Scythed Heirodules, the Heirophant became the old Heiorodule and the Hydraphant became the old Heirophant. Does the 'i' come before the 'e' since there is no 'c' before them ;) ?

Hope I helped!


Good catch on the Bio Cannon....thruster and fast tracking are old V4.0 concepts and should be removed!

E:A has decided to closely mirror the Forgeworld Tyranid creations for thier list titans. NetEpic is an evolution from SM2 and has stayed true to that source for the most part. The Scythed Hierodule was added specifically to address a limitation in the Turanid list for a fast knight/superheavy independant critter that was a bit cheaper than a tooled up Hierodule. It has no template so is a knight. At the time no one seemed to feel there was a need for the barbed version as that capability was met by the traditional Hierodule. Changing the Scythed to a titan and building a template for it, or indeed adding the Barbed is probably out of the question now...I don't want to face the wrath of the person spending all the time laying out the books :D

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:41 pm 
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Rather than slow down progress, I would rather see supplements added later on to add troop types. I would rather the minor stuff be fixed and see these all released :)

Overall I give the Tyranid book 4 claws up! (no groans, please)

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