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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:17 pm 
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Hi there,
we had a nice battle this weekend but as usually we have some minor questions open. Maybe you can help us out.

1. Magnus the Red or greater Demons in general are infantry class when it comes to enter buildings but are pinning class knight and big as houses. But the rule states, that they can enter buildings, is this working as intended?
2. Super Gargant : We were unable to find the death ray in the table and the other weapons were a bit difficult to identify. I know this will be fixed in the soon coming gold edition, but a hint would be nice.
3. MekBoy Vehicles : Dragsta Field: If a barrage weapon that already scatters manages to hit something in the field does it need to scatter a second a time?
4. MekBoy Vehicles: Bubble Chuckka: Is it possible to repair the weapon or does it wear off when the mekboys are destroyed?
5. Knights Class: What is the Fire Arc? The table on page 23 lists everything except the knight class. Maybe our book is outdated?
6. Wave Serpent: The rule states that after shooting the wave it will recreate itself at the beginning of the following round, I guess that is before he could fire it up again?
7. Warlock Titan: At which point of time is he allowed to activate Witch Sight?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:16 am 
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Hi there,
we had a nice battle this weekend but as usually we have some minor questions open. Maybe you can help us out.

1. Magnus the Red or greater Demons in general are infantry class when it comes to enter buildings but are pinning class knight and big as houses. But the rule states, that they can enter buildings, is this working as intended?
2. Super Gargant : We were unable to find the death ray in the table and the other weapons were a bit difficult to identify. I know this will be fixed in the soon coming gold edition, but a hint would be nice.
3. MekBoy Vehicles : Dragsta Field: If a barrage weapon that already scatters manages to hit something in the field does it need to scatter a second a time?
4. MekBoy Vehicles: Bubble Chuckka: Is it possible to repair the weapon or does it wear off when the mekboys are destroyed?
5. Knights Class: What is the Fire Arc? The table on page 23 lists everything except the knight class. Maybe our book is outdated?
6. Wave Serpent: The rule states that after shooting the wave it will recreate itself at the beginning of the following round, I guess that is before he could fire it up again?
7. Warlock Titan: At which point of time is he allowed to activate Witch Sight?

Thanks for your effort

Hi!

1. The main problem has always been the overly large size of the demon figures. According to the fluff they are "big", but not as big as the model represents. Thus they are permitted to "enter" and attack units within buildings.
2. Deth ray: 100 cm range, 4+ t hit, -1 modifier, ignores shields.
3. No. You measure from the edge of the field out. It can never stay within the field.
4. IF the weapon can be repaired it can, usually in the case of units with a hit location template.
5. Its missing. Should be 180 forward arc.
6. Once you place orders on it in the next turn, assume the field is fully functional.
7. When you activate the titan you  pick a power. Thus units activated before the warlock titan can hit it before its power is activated.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:15 pm 
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Thanks for the fast answer,

i forget some of the questions so here they are.

8. if a modell which is a skimmer is on FF orders and is charged by another unit, is it allowed to shoot at any model it want to or he bound to shoot at his attacker? (our scenario was ork attack bikes charged ravenwing landspeeder)
9. Addition to Magnus and Greater Demons, if they are that small does it that they are allowed to enter transports as well?
10. Super Gargant: We found the Weapon stats on the table, but were not able to locate the position. we choosed to cripple the titan before we would kill it. so we shot down every weapon which he had, but the deth ray was not in the hit table. (sorry for the unprecise question, my bad)
10.A. Will the holo field grant protection versus the deth ray as well as the warp missile?
11. Entering an Super Gargant / Emperor Titan the rules state: "Any restrictions on models that can fire or modifiers for cover do not apply. does this mean, that unit which have some kind of hard to hit ability do not get any advantage from it? and if so could you tell me why?
11.A. The Super Gargant table offers us the stats from the troops within, but the Emperor Titan just says "squad" or "squad -1 attack dice". does this mean this unit hit on 6+ with their bolters and have 1D + 0 in CC or 2D + 0 if they are just normal troops?
11.B. The Rule states: "Additionally, the Emperor Titan can fire some or all of its armament at the attacking models ..." Does shooting at attackers need an activation or is this something like snap fire for titans? Can he choose between all attackers or does his activation count only for one detachment?
11.C. Can this troops within the titans be replaced by devestators etc. ?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:57 am 
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Thanks for the fast answer,

i forget some of the questions so here they are.

8. if a modell which is a skimmer is on FF orders and is charged by another unit, is it allowed to shoot at any model it want to or he bound to shoot at his attacker? (our scenario was ork attack bikes charged ravenwing landspeeder)
9. Addition to Magnus and Greater Demons, if they are that small does it that they are allowed to enter transports as well?
10. Super Gargant: We found the Weapon stats on the table, but were not able to locate the position. we choosed to cripple the titan before we would kill it. so we shot down every weapon which he had, but the deth ray was not in the hit table. (sorry for the unprecise question, my bad)
10.A. Will the holo field grant protection versus the deth ray as well as the warp missile?
11. Entering an Super Gargant / Emperor Titan the rules state: "Any restrictions on models that can fire or modifiers for cover do not apply. does this mean, that unit which have some kind of hard to hit ability do not get any advantage from it? and if so could you tell me why?
11.A. The Super Gargant table offers us the stats from the troops within, but the Emperor Titan just says "squad" or "squad -1 attack dice". does this mean this unit hit on 6+ with their bolters and have 1D + 0 in CC or 2D + 0 if they are just normal troops?
11.B. The Rule states: "Additionally, the Emperor Titan can fire some or all of its armament at the attacking models ..." Does shooting at attackers need an activation or is this something like snap fire for titans? Can he choose between all attackers or does his activation count only for one detachment?
11.C. Can this troops within the titans be replaced by devestators etc. ?


thanks again :)

8.  In the errata for Gold this is cleared up.  If based you may fire out if you are 2 or more pinning classes larger than the unit basing you.  In your case, no, must shoot the bikes.

9. No....Infantry for Movement restrictions and entering structures....but still not Infantry class.

10. It is the Weapon under the Mechboy Tower location IIRC.

10A. Yes.  Deth Ray specifically says ignores Void  Shields and Power Feilds....nothing to indicate it ignores Holo-feilds.

11. Can you provide any specific example?

11A. You have to purchase troops for the Imperator so the stats will be whatever you bought.  Perhaps we need a "(Purchased seperately)" added to the Garrison Troops section for new people.

11B.  The Imperator can shoot whatever it wants in the appropriate phase.  PD can follow its normal rules.

11C. See 11A.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:28 pm 
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11. - e.g. Harlequins Detachment or Swooping Hawks wants to invade the titan. then the titan may decide to activate to "snap" and/or use his PD(16)?
Does the titan get the -1 because the troops are attacking the people within himself or is it considered as an direct assault?
Afterwards all attacking models of segment may fire without any restrictions on the invading troops.Is the Hard to Hit Bonus given?

Assuming someone managed to get all people inside killed and the titan may not be used anymore, will there be any VP for the invading player except the ones for the killed troops inside?

Has someone killed an imperator titan with infantry units, can it actually be done?

thanks for your clarifications. :)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:22 am 
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11 - [Imperator] - The PD can engage normally as a Snap Fire (with a -1) or just shoot in the First Fire phase with no penalty.  Similarly with the Titans main weapons.  All troops inside the titan can shoot at any infantry in base without targetting restrictions (they can see all of them).  Hard to Hit still applies as it is neither a targetting restriction or cover modifier.  

If you kill the troops all you've done is damage some locations....you cannot destroy the Imperator that way.  The same applies for the Mega Gargant.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:45 am 
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hmm,

what is the point in boarding if you will never get any VP besides the ones for troop killing? i guess you will need so much melee troops and transport that it will cost nearly as much as an imperator/gargant but will not deliver the diversity and toughness.

does anyone agree there should be a rule like:
if all troops inside a segment/the titan are destroyed, it will grant the VP to the attacker.

just my thoughts.


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