that is not the point,
the holo field never granted a psychic save in that way.

Don't use this, it concerns shields (gargants & imperial titans), use the holo-field description.

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then I do not know why you are talking about this...

I referred to it, because it is strengthening my point regarding "human failure".
We already discussed this matter.

And there are two options:
1. wait fore primarch to comment on the matters (missile no ranged weapon, warp missile  vs. holo field, holo field granting 4+ psychic save, drop pod detachment ... i guess there are more questions open, but i cannot recall them all)
2. get to logically? solution or maybe pull a vote.

yes, some questions open...

...but the rules are clear!

- warp bypass the holo-field
- not forbitten to take detachments with drop pods
- just cc weapons can be used in the same turn when fireing with a plasma destructor

I would prefer pull a vote

We germans should konw what happens if we according to the rules too much

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I am not available for that cognition on my part

just reading my own rate ... why such a simple rate like "just cc weapons can be used in the same turn when fireing with a plasma destructor" is not simply added to the plasma destructor. the rule book does not become thicker and discussions are superfluous.  

du glaubst gar nicht, wie oft wir über diese regeln diskutieren. oftmals fehlt ein entscheidener satz, der alles aufklären könnte! this was german

lets see what the vote will bring us

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I am not available for that cognition on my part

my guess would be, that we vote and discuss for days, and afterwards zap and primarch will decide anyways
but that is fine by me.

true, and since version 5 is here since years, I do not think that we row back to the version 4 would. then the whole rules have to be rewritten.

To let the rules in the hands of the logic is a bad idea.

1st, because a in lot of situations, a solution is logical to some players and illogical to the others.

2nd, because a game, to be playable, can't be the reflect of the reallity. So, how could we invoque the logic if a game is not totally reallistic. Moreover, some rules are voluntarilly illogical to make the game playable.

3rd, during a game, a lot of players are not or lesser unbiased. So, better the rules are written, lesser dispute you'll have during the game, funnyer will be the game.


Then, a vote for what ?
- "How do you understand the current rules ?" Rules are enough clear, you have just to determine in wich version you play.
- "How do you wish that the rules be written ?" The vote is premature, we need more talks, opinions and arguments to find a well-balanced solution.

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the purpose of the vote is to determine if the change from holo field to a normal shield was "intended" with all its consequences or not.
there are several indications that this may not be the case. the rules in it's current state have been discussed enough. the holo field does nothing against a warp missile. but then there are details [like holo field granting a 4+ fixed save against psychic attacks ...] that indicate that the human being, which has written the rules, may have forgotten about the warp missile.

since even primarch plays it the "old way" there is good chance, that this is a case of poor wording.

but IF all people agree with the current set of rules, then we should stick with them.
i won't mind.

when the plays the "old way", then barrage weapons do not scatter due to the holo-field...I am very excited

the warp missile rule is not tied to the barrage rule.
primarch and zap stated how they interpret the rules, which we proved wrong.

But nonetheless there is good chance primarch has written the rules and if so, then it must be a mistake.
Since he is not here right now, it is all based in assumptions.