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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:17 am 
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Hi!

My standard sized game, for many years, has been 6000 points. Its large enough for a true "epic" experience but still manageable to game in an afternoon (all time best time 2 hour completion time, including setup). Larger than that needs more tables and more time.

I only ever bother documenting games larger than 20k per side, which are infrequent, but have played up to 12k on a more frequent basis (of course back when I played more overall). So I guess ya, we arent posting our pics ...... :;):

For a 6k game IG can field approximately 200 infantry type stands, 30-40 armored vehicles and 20 artillery pieces and a reaver titan. A normal game with setup time would fluctuate around 4 hours.

Sigh... good times..... :)

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Yes Epic is less Epic. It seems to have gone 1st ed (smallest) 2nd ed (largest) 3rd ed (smaller than 2nd) 4th ed (larger than 1st).

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:30 am 
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(The_Real_Chris @ Apr. 16 2007,20:53)
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Yes Epic is less Epic. It seems to have gone 1st ed (smallest) 2nd ed (largest) 3rd ed (smaller than 2nd) 4th ed (larger than 1st).

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Yes, thats a good description.

In the end the discussions on epic versions is much like discussing which color is better, red or blue. Lots of subjective reasons for liking one or the other, but fewer reasons based on any measurable objective fact.

Perhaps those who like both are ahead of the rest of us in that regard.....  :;):  :D

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(primarch @ Apr. 17 2007,05:30)
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(The_Real_Chris @ Apr. 16 2007,20:53)
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Yes Epic is less Epic. It seems to have gone 1st ed (smallest) 2nd ed (largest) 3rd ed (smaller than 2nd) 4th ed (larger than 1st).

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Yes, thats a good description.

In the end the discussions on epic versions is much like discussing which color is better, red or blue. Lots of subjective reasons for liking one or the other, but fewer reasons based on any measurable objective fact.

Amen. I used to think only super detailed rules are worth it and, thus, only played ASL and other such rules monsters for a long time. It took me 15 years and the reading of literally dozens of rule sets to realise it's all just a matter of taste. Granted, rules anomalies and weak mechanics do exist but the  big picture is just that: a matter of taste.


Perhaps those who like both are ahead of the rest of us in that regard.....  :;):  :D

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I'll have to try Heresy sometime for real...  :devil:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:35 pm 
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(Markconz @ Apr. 16 2007,19:07)
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So is game size a factor of rules or the time people have to play I wonder?

I think it's a matter of time. Obviously it takes less time to play a 3k game than a 6k game. When I play, my usual opponent and I typically play 5k points and with set up and clean up it occupies a pretty good chunk of time. But on the other hand, we really don't want to play anytrhing smaller, because we like Epic to feel, well, epic!  :D

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:22 pm 
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Primarch,

I'd really like it if we could have something similar to that bit of salesmanship in the intro to Netepic core rules.  I think a lot of players coming from a SM2 background expect the rules (and especially unit decriptions) to be mostly the same as SM2.  It would be good to point out the advantages, and make it clear that new players really need to read all the rules- your blurb nicely tells people how much difference to expect. It's also a good advert to E:A players.

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No worries there. Its customary for me to write some sort of preface for the rules.

This time I will take your advice and write a summary of rules changes. I believe you are correct when it will be valuable for old players to know what the changes have been and realize how different the game has become.

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Cheers Peter!  That'd be grand.
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