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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:05 am 
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Hmm, yeah, when I look at the break points. Wow, I mean, just looking at Gold rules, am I missing something?
It says bp is 17 + model for the Iron Breaker C. If I count the number of infantry that is (1 warlord + 9 combat stands + 2 HG + berserker detachment (5 stands) -> 1+9+2+5 = 17).
So....that means you have to wipe them all out? I must be missing something? If not, then yeah, I can see why that company card is valuable.
I mean, no other company card containing infantry is that strong (except the IB Helbore company)?

Is it the same in 2nd edition? Sounds almost to good to be true :)


There's a little typo in your calculation - it should be 1+9+2+10 = 23 (2 squads of 5 Berserkers).

In 2nd the break point is a straight 18 for the Iron Breakers so it meant that the Leviathan being destroyed is equivalent to taking out a single infantry stand!

Even though you don't have to completely wipe them out, when you face them, it definitely feels like it! It's that Stubborn rule where the Break Points are 75% rather than the usual 50% that really makes a difference and means that they can take terrible punishment without handing over VPs to the opponent. Again, when you go out of your way to ram your forces full of companies as I do, the frustration factor for an opponent can be pretty demoralising!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:51 pm 
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To be honest, it was not a typo. It says in netepic gold:
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Warlord & 9 Combat stands
2x Hearthguard stand & Berserker Detachment
Leviathan


And I read it as 2 Hearth Guards and a berserker detachment. So I honestly thought it was 2 HGs and 1 berserker detachment. A bit odd I thought with those 2 HGs, but well well :)
But now when you point it out it's of course 2x (hearthguard+berserker detachment).

That actually makes my whole calculation in my initial post completely wrong, the Ironbreaker company doesn't look as "bad" anomore :)


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:57 am 
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Fangface wrote:
To be honest, it was not a typo. It says in netepic gold:
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Warlord & 9 Combat stands
2x Hearthguard stand & Berserker Detachment
Leviathan


And I read it as 2 Hearth Guards and a berserker detachment. So I honestly thought it was 2 HGs and 1 berserker detachment. A bit odd I thought with those 2 HGs, but well well :)
But now when you point it out it's of course 2x (hearthguard+berserker detachment).

That actually makes my whole calculation in my initial post completely wrong, the Ironbreaker company doesn't look as "bad" anomore :)


Excellent point! I was so familiar with the Squats before Net Epic - and continued to use the 2nd Edition cards for gameplay (which had the silhouettes showing which elements make up the unit) even though the costings can be slightly different - I'd never have picked up on that. I agree, it should read:

Warlord & 9 Combat Stands
2 x Hearthguard stands
2 x Berserker Detachments
Leviathan

Apologies also for thinking it was a typo on your post, my misktake!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:18 pm 
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No need to apologize, I just thought it was fun I didn't realise it myself, so obvious when you pointed it out :) But hey, I said it was to good to be true ;D


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