I think we will do one last check before we send the batch to the printers so do not despair!

_________________
"Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". " Major General Chesty Puller, USMC

Yep.  
Another round of checking is definitely needed. In fact it'd be kind of nice to have all the word documents I'm copy/pasting from given another look before I start the remaining books. I'm a bit surprised just how many errors were still in the Chaos book even though I asked for the latest version of the documents just before starting this book. Obviously it is easier to edit a Word document rather than text that has already been squeezed into boxes and stuff  

Anyway: The point right now is to have the books in a reasonable shape without any glaring or game breaking errors in them. The Chaos book has a couple of places where the rules need to be clarified by the experts. I'm tempted to go back and change these things as soon as I have the eratta, but at the same time I feel it is also important to have some consistency and not keep posting updated documents every week or so. Having further proofreading (or discussions about rules) will be a real pain if there's 10 different versions of the book floating about on the net (I just noticed that the download link on the EpiCentre is for the first draft Gold rules that has already been surpassed by the links in the pinned thread on this forum.   )
At the same time I think the Chaos book should be put out there now , since it will be almost a month before I have time to continue work on the project. The book with it's current updates is still better than the current book, and by no means unplayable. We are talking relatively minor things like commas, single missing words etc. for the most part.  

_________________
Sofa General

Nobody expects the Inquisition!!!
http://theepiclounge.wordpress.com/

I think you should add suffix or prefix ARC = AdvancedReaderCopy or something until the books are "stable" ^_^

Perhaps The one at the top of this thread is indeed just a draft. I'm uploading the "official" book right now, which has a timestamp.

The reason I'm reluctant to add too many prefixes or suffixes is that with these projects you can keep finding errors forever if you look long enough. With this many books to cover I felt it was important to set deadlines for each book and move on if things weren' to bog down again. As you can see with the rules clarifications I asked for, noone has come forward yet. I think it is important to have closure at some point, even if you are aware of a few errors. If not you're never going to finish something like this. The books currently in the download thread should now be considered finished, even if we know that there's a few errors still in there.
I'd rather not insinuate that these books aren't worth downloading or printing by calling them unfinished. At this stage it is important that as many people as possible download the books and read through them - even print them - so we can catch any remainig errors. I just fear that people will be less inclined to do so if we keep calling them Beta, ARC etc. After all the Chaos book has now been available for proofreading for almost a month. Not an unreasonable ammount of time.
I find it rather interesting that the book is based on (well, copy/pasted from)the NetEpic 5 documents which have been around for years , yet noone have noticed the errors we're talking about untill now. That suggests to me that not enough people have been reading through those documents.

Like I said: The remaining errors SHOULD just be stuff like a few commas and the odd capitalized letter. I'd rather that people go: "Hey, what kind of lousy proof reading has been done here with those missing commas - I better complain on the forum!" than they go: "Oh, a beta version... Hm. Better let somebody else work out the snags and wait untill the official version is here"  

Otherwise we'll be stuck with "Beta" documents for years which noone bother to download or print, nor suggest any erratta for.

_________________
Sofa General

Nobody expects the Inquisition!!!
http://theepiclounge.wordpress.com/

The download link at the top of this thread has now been disabled. Please refer to the link for the latest version in the pinned download thread

_________________
Sofa General

Nobody expects the Inquisition!!!
http://theepiclounge.wordpress.com/

Nothing about this ? http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....d+rhino

_________________
Biel el'Jonson

Well when I asked for the very latest book before starting the formatting I recieved the version called 5.1L. I think this must have been around October, so I assumed everything would be in there.  

_________________
Sofa General

Nobody expects the Inquisition!!!
http://theepiclounge.wordpress.com/

I may be too late but I found some things...

Horrors with the Mark of Tzeentch, you'll need to clarify just what goes on here when someone eventually does put a Mark of Tzeentch on a Pack of Horrors, just so you don't get anyone trying what I already did.   It should probably be as Ulric(?) has suggests: Pink Horror = another Pink Horror = 2 Blue Horrors.  

Scream also asked what does the description mean for the VP of Horrors. It says when they are all dead in the description and yet has a 3BP noted on the card. Can this be sorted?

Also, Greater Daemons. Page 7, it says under "that didn't hurt" that they can only use Chaos cards if an Armour save is made. This should be if a hit that would normally kill is caused surely. Please can this be clarified/fixed.

Thanks WMN.

_________________
My head is full of War...

[img]http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk120/Warhead40k/Tyranid%20Swarm/DSC02262.jpg[/img]

Just spotted this - Whirlwinds for normal Space Marines are 150 points a support card but Chaos have to pay 200 points? Is this correct?

@Warhead: we tested this week-end mark on Tzeentch on pink horrors -> Pink horrors created another pink horrors, this works.

I checked the chaos reward cards and spotted some issues:

SCALY SKIN
Play: On one of your detachments, in the Close Combat segment.
Effect: All models in the detachment increase their saving throw by +1 this turn. Models that do not normally have an armor save receive a saving throw of 6+.

This card is totally useless, there's no armor save in close combat segment. I checked on original Renegades extension cards and this card was in "combat segments".

HYPNOTIC GAZE
Play: On an enemy model in the Close Combat segment.
Effect: Choose any model within 15 cm that has not attacked yet. You may take over it over and choose what it will attack, within the restrictions of its orders and the normal rules for making attacks.

OOZES SLIME
Play: On one of your detachments, in the Close Combat segment.
Effect: All models in the detachment increase their saving throw by +1 this turn. Models that do not normally have an armor save receive a saving throw of 6+.

RESILIENT
Play: On one of your detachments, in the Close Combat segment.
Effect: All models in the detachment increase their saving throw by +1 this turn. Models that do not normally have an armor save receive a saving throw of 6+.

TELEKINESIS
Play: On one of your models, in the Close Combat segment.
Effect: Choose any non-titan model within 25 cm and move it up to 10 cm. You may move it as though it were a skimmer, ignoring impassable terrain or enemy units. Models
that finish in impassable terrain are destroyed.

WARTY SKIN
Play: On one of your detachments, in the Close Combat segment.
Effect: All models in the detachment increase their saving throw by +1 this turn. Models that do not normally have an armor save receive a saving throw of 6+.

I edited my previous post with all chaos reward cards that have an issue (mostly an issue with segment when card can be played).

I also noted: all greater daemons & primarch are noted skimmer in Stats Table. But description only talk about skimming ability for Bloodthirster and Lord of Change, a too violent Copy/Paste ?

I think we should probably take Skimmer away from everything other than the BT and LoC.....pinning rule changes make the "they are all skimmers" unnecessary now I would think.