Yes there is a need, it makes the Redemtionists mobile, and can represent the Pulpitek for those so included.

Light vehicles always gain a point of armour over their AV equivilents, so 5+ makes sense. Note that it's identical to the LaTD land transporters (LV, 5+ save).

Given that they can carry ten people, they're certainly bigger than cars, so large trucks or van equivilents.

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There's a reason I came up with my own stats; the existing Lightning stats were all wrong.

The Lightning is supposed to be armed with an underslung long-barreled autocannon and two lascannons mounted on its wingtips. I combined the two lascannons into a single twin shot, as they're fixed in the same arc and for balance reasons. The lightning is also supposed to be much less well armoured than the thunderbolt, hence "armour -" here, but the other lists have 6+ for some reason.

Basically, these stats are both balanced and match the background, so I'm sticking with them.

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Understood. One of the aircraft still need to be renamed though.... We can't have same names on different aircraft as per the naming rules.

It does seem wrong that the Elysian Lightning can't attack ground targets with it's autocannon. No armour is definitely what they should be too, they are meant to be faster but less armoured than a Thunderbolt. Overall your stats seem right Zombo, whereas the Elysian stats look off. I've never looked at the Harkoni list so I have no idea what it's done.

It would be best to try and agree the same stats the same between the lists ideally. Who is the Imperial Navy army champion again?

All changes added Zombo

How is the army book coming along out of curiosity Dobbsy? Any rough ETA?

This week 3 lists left to format. Then it just has to go for approval.

Looking forward to it. Gonna take me a trip to OfficeDepot to get it bound.

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Not to derail too much, but I used the Elysian Lightnings in the Harakoni list because I believe they keep the focus of the fighter where it belongs: on interception. The current stats for the Ministorum Lightning make it inherently better than the Thunderbolt at everything, with the sole exception of AP fire. Even then, the ability to fire at ground targets 45cm out (beyond a fair amount of AA fire) is extremely powerful. Considering that the Thunderbolt was supposed to be a replacement for the older Lightning, there's no reason they should be unequivocally better at Ground Attack.

Lightnings are not as old as T-Bolts. No exact date is given, but IA1 states they were approved as an STC somewhat over half a millenium after the Saint-Saen Crusade.

It's also worthwhile to note that the Weapons loadout on the T-Bolt does not match with the current 40k (or AI) version. The 40k version has two twin Autocannon and a twin Lascannon, as well as the capacity to carry rockets or bombs.

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A very good reason not to constantly keep copying 40K

T-Bolts are also the only aircraft in AI that are stronger at Midrange than short, IIRC. But yes, an Ecpic Tbolt with a 30cm AT6+/AA5+ and two 30cm AP4+/AP5+ shots, plus 30cm AT4+ rockets, would be potentially unbalancing, to say the least.

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I'd like to reiterate my earlier request:

Consider changing the Flagellation Pilgrimage formation to a more generic Battle Conclave formation, so as to include death cult assassins and/or crusaders units. Alternately, consider ditching the independent formation in favor of making those units upgrades for the Redemptionist Crusade and/or Fraternis Militia formations. I can see not wanting to include death cult assassins, but Crusaders would make perfect sense in this army list.

Also, while all of your colorful names for each of the individual formations are great and all, maybe you should pare them down to just two or three: one for 'major' formations and one or two for 'support' formations. Those names make it sound less official, i.e. like a fan list that is trying too hard.

I sort of agree with Semaj but my view is why call it a long name when you can call it a short one? Plus it's easier to remember stuff when someone says "What's that formation?" and you can reply "Seraphim" rather than "Seraphim Choir" and Choir has no meaning other than fluff, if you see what I mean. Semantic pedantic really.

Actually armour wise the Lightning and Thunderbolt are the same in Wh40k. The Lightning might be more nimble. And even if it where less armoured the nimbleness would give it a 6+ save.
IIRC the design process for the Lightnings in the Elysian list where that the Lightning Interceptor would be mainly AA (so no AP or AT on the Autocannon) and the lightning Strike mainly Ground Attack. This would keep the Thundebolt in the middle as an allrounder but not as good as the two Lightning specialists.

And yes compared to the Wh40k stats the EPic Thunderboltis waaaay off. But no one is listening or even cares.

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