Ok, It solves the problem of renaming the weapon. Since I got rid of the MW on it an increase to 3BP on each chapel is on the cards. At the monment I think I'm about their with this list, I know some want the guncutter added but I not sure (as it's an ordo xenos thing) maybe some more testing is needed. The inquisitor warband already has the landing party and valkyries so does not need the cutter as well.

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Looking good dude, I think you're almost there.
I could live without the guncutter. Would of liked it, but can do without it (sometimes we just want all the toys )
Love the addition of the Valkyries and would love to see the chapels back up to 3bp each.
Paining is well under way now and you'll see me helping with testing come early Feb, we have the Australian championships in January so I'll be practicing with my Vraksians up until then, after that full steam ahead with the SoB

Been playing around with my lists again today.

Trying to work out how to fit my Inqusition warband in without it being the BTS after taking assassins and Valks (Wanting to have a nice fast moving assault unit).
I'm always loath to use by BTS in assaults.

On the army front. I should have another assembled/painted to start playtesting the list to some degrees by the end of January

We had a game testing out the Cathedral and Chapels last week which can be watched here.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/ZzkAHh4pGoo[/youtube]

Unfortunately the camera was out of line with the table so you miss the Sisters set up and back line. (You only really start to see the Sisters after 30 seconds.

Main comments are a Cathedral is prone to Deathstrikes like any other small/medium War Engine.

Death Korps of Krieg are a hard army to beat.

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What were the forces taken?
Also a blow by blow would go well with the slides

DkoK were
Reg HQ with Gorgons
Inf Comp with Gorgons
Deathrider Comp
Macharius
Deathstrikes
Shadowsword
Shadowsword
Grenediers & Tractors
Thunderbolts
Thunderbolts
Thunderbolts

Sisters of Battle (from memory)
Sisters + Rhinos & Supreme Commander
Sisters + Rhinos
Scouting MW Sisters + upgraded transport
Scouting MW Sisters + upgraded transport
Tanks + Hunter
Tanks + Hunter
Chapels
Cathedral
Lightnings

I was going to do a blow by blow commentary but when I started looking at the first turn it was a bit mute as you couldn't see the Sisters for most of it.

New camera position and remote trigger are going to be tried for the next game.

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Hi,

I just started a SoB army, and i'm quite confused. This list is a bit too complicated for me, after the first look. The full ordo hereticus + ecclesiarchy in one list might be too much! There's no limit to have more list for better representing them and from the other side, comparing to other lists, it means you have much more options, a lot of flexibility in the list -and it's a huge advantage! and there's no particular fluffy backgriund behind this flexibility. At this point, with this lot of units, etc, i think 2 lists (SoB + hereticus) can cover better the topic!

What do you think about it?

So your looking for a just sisters army list? No inquisitors?

Yes, with fewer units/options.

Maybe a 0-1 unit of 8 stormtroopers + an INF Inquisitoqr unit (fearless, mw ea+1 cc), like a commissar. maybe a Valkyre /chimera option. That's all.

Still think it's a too wide topic for a single list! maybe a pure fanatical order militant list can be more focused, and less confusing -again, for me. But the flexibility of the list is a great advantage still..

Usually, you can describe a good list with 2-3 words (lik orks:big formations, cc heavy, shitty shooter, etc), and that's fine. Every list has a basic character, a basic styleof play (and some more of course), but in case of this list i don't get the basic character.

Missing the 2-3 words wich describes the list for a newbie (no, bolter, bitch, etc should be avoided)

Well pati, this list is a Sob list any extra formations play a supporting role after all you don't have to take the them (I usually only take one in a 3000 point game). As for the flexibility of the list it represents a single Sisters Coven of a well trained elite force similar to the organization of space marines. The sister formations are themselves are orientated towards mechanized infantry rush and specialized battlefield roles, the infantry lack any anti-tank fire power forcing the use of tank formations. I would suggest when choosing you list take a solid base of the missions, exorcists and dominion then pick the formations you like. The mission give you a advancing mechanized infantry base (I put a priest/canoness in them), the exorcists give you some great anti-tank fire power and ground AA with the hunter and the dominion provide scouting formations (I give them repressors so the vehicles can be in cover, the walker ability helps them moving).

I would say a description for the list is nuns with guns.

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Ok, I see. Under flexibility, I mean the Inquisitor and his retinue are much for this list -too much options, too specialized, not like the others in the same list -I mean a landing party inquisitor is totally out of the box for me, doesn't fit the lists flavor.. Maybe he's coming with some storm troopers it's fine, but assassins, etc are too powerful, so their flexibility is easily balancing the lists weaknesses -short range, engage heavy, etc. 0-3 means you can wipe out your weaknesses for 200p, not a big deal! And a Landing party is too space marine like for my taste, sorry. Do the ladies really need that new dimension (I mean air assault)?

I agree with the others -a rushing forward mech infantry force, with left behind behemoth fire bases for covering/holding captured ground, or designated re-organization points for broken units. This is a "honest", straight forward concept, and the air assault level with specialists are too much for me. Specialists are called Space Marines this universe

So my 2p is to downgrade the inquisitor to a 0-1 commissar like, strom trooper/flying armoured fist unit = it's on the list for the feeling, but not dominates it! Sometimes haveing the chance of choosing something can be too much for an opponent, with a much rigid list to call it OP..

Just don't field him Pati

I actually really like the addition of the retinue, and honestly all their vehicle choices fall under skimmer or vehicle, none are flyers. (I'd love to have a flyer option, something to hit the back line with the Inq). Choice isn't bad in a list and i think more lists have to have it, too many armies are already in a "mono build" status with only one real list design being any good.

I'm putting together enough minis for this army to be able to field multiples of a bunch of the units I like, though only one Inq retinue and one Storm trooper formation. I'm not building/taking any of the Arco flagellants, nor the Crusaders because they don't fit my vision for the army. But i do like them being in the list for choice

Yeah, my mistake
Personally, I prefer the cult of the red redemtion, since the necromunda days, so it's nice that they are still in the list.

Second thing -I just don't want to push too far in a single comment, but about the question of the sistas with Hflamer/Hbolter:
I support the sistas with Hflamer, because in this case they are more of a rushing close range assault infantry, than space marines light, who can stay behind to shoot, support, etc. I think this concept is better fit with Celestines well -6 units with HB + 2 units with MM, not the best solution, 2 different type of units both with limited ranges.. The basic sista units should engage the enemy, this is their primary role i think.

The Retribution squads are better to stay behind, give fire support, etc -since there are 6 units only, they are worse in rushing forward to engage. They are more likely to stay behind, and for that role tha HB is a bit better..
And the skirmishing /forward units with heavy weapons concept is already exist - I mean there are the Dominions for that role. I don't think, that we need a second short range, small number, heavy weapon specialist unit - with loosing a middle range fire support one -and sacrificing a primary engaging unit for fire supporting. For me, it makes disturbance in the Force...sorry..weakness in the worship of the Emperor!

And, the most important thing is I based my ladies with flamers already,and they look soooo cool

The retributor's role on the battlefield is too provide close range heavy weapon support, their use of hflamers fits the theme of the list as a whole with aggressive advancing tactics and as game mechanics go they would be in engage range of most infantry if armed with hbolters anyhow.
I was thinking of doing a poll on this subject to get a conclusion if wanted, but this is my opinion.

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Yeah, but the range of their weapon is too short in epic -here, we have celestians for leading the way, and the dominions for cleaning the way.

So my points are:
1. Mixed range in Mission formations -celestians (15cm) with HBolters
2. Very short range for a 6 unit formation -in case of 30cm they can be ff engage range (altough they are good at ff) -with 15cm it's sure, even for cc units.
3. We have the dominions for almost the same role already. Hflamer and Hbolter are both AP weapons, and with a range of 30cm it's still a close range support weapon.
4. Basic sistas wil engage, so a longer range, supporting unit is needed to help them. They shouldn't stay behind to support anybody else, than themselves.
5. Basically the list is lacking ranged weaponry to support/prep engagements. Changing the IG company to Stormtroopers means another support/owerwatch/garrison/hold objective formation is lost (45cm autocannon) to another engage formation. I think even losing the retributions as a support role formation is bad for the list, and it makes it more of a "one style" army.

I clearly understand your point also, and it makes sense in case of that special unit. However in case of the whole list's need, it's a different thing.
I'm very curious of the others thoughts also -my sistas will only loose their battlefield "virginity" in a month (if the constellation of stars, etc allows me to find some time to play), so from my side it's just theoryhammer now. Everyone, please share some experiences, thoughts, etc.