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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:34 am 
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I was wondering if anyones made up some army lists, preferably of the original chapters and perhaps Imperial Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus and their traitor counterparts to 'relive' the Horus Heresy? I know the differences in units is sketchy, just wondered if anyones given it ago (Any system, Armageddon, Net, etc).


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:15 pm 
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All of the army lists from AT/SM1 are Horus Heresy era.

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Indeed. Off the top of my head:

Marines get:
Tacticals in Land Raiders (if you want)
Jet Bikes
Various field artillery: Mole Mortars, Thudd Guns, Rapiers and Tarentulas
I could remember this wrong, but I think HQunits were often terminator units.
Capitol Imperialis HQs.

Overall the marines fight more like a mobile guard army and rely less on airpower than "modern" marines.

Guard isn't very different from today, though to differentiate them from Marines you'd proably want to limit the ammount of very mobile troops and have more footslogging infantry, artillery and battle tanks. Adeptus Mechanicus and Titans are petty much the same deal. (Though some fluff indicate you'd have seen formations where warhounds operate in larger "packs" than the 2 unit formations of today. Depending a bit on werther you go by the old or the newer fluff, Warlord titans or Reaver titans would be the most predominant titan type of the time respectively)

Traitors are essentially the same as their loyalist counterparts as they've only just turned to Chaos. I suppose you could do some house rules to represent a few particularly corrupted units that would have enhanced stats compared to loyalists.




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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:52 pm 
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I pondered the project for a while, and will one day return to it (i.e. when I finish painting my modern Epic armies).  

Other things of note - Guard were using Rhinos (IIRC), a lot of vehicle variants didn't exist, and everyone liked big formations.  

Well, almost everyone.

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Indeed they are mainly sm1 as i remember reading in an early white dwarf about the horus heresy and stuff coming out for sm1. Even remember there being 2 different jet bikes one single marine another a 2 marine heavy version! and reading how they had thudd guns in buildings! certainly more detailed rules/data for units. May be worth having a look at the early white dwarfs there is a list of articles in each white dwarf which can help narrow the search can't remember the link but i think from the netepic site was a link.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:02 am 
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Well, lets see if we can compile something, a list of whats available. So if you can confirm any of the below's place in the heresy we can remove ? marks ... please feel free to suggest additions.

Space Marines
Terminator Squads - Yes
Tactical Squads - Yes
Devastator Squads - Yes
Assault Squads (With Jump Packs) - Yes
Scout Squads - No
Dreadnoughts - Yes
Robots - Yes
Thudd Guns - Yes
Rapier Laser Destroyers - Yes
Tarantulas - Yes
Mole Mortars - Yes
Bike Squads - Yes
Attack Bikes - No
Jetbike Squads - Yes
Land Speeder - Yes
LS Tornado - No
LS Typhoon - No
LS Tempest - No
LS Storm - No
Rhino - Yes
Damocles Rhino - No?
Razorback - No
Land Raider - Yes
LR Prometheus - No
LR Crusader - No
LR Redeemer - No
LR Ares - No
LR Terminus Ultra - No
Helios LR - No
LR Spartan - Yes
Predator Destructor - Yes
Predator Annihilator - No
Vindicator - Yes
Whirlwind - Yes
Whirlwind Hyperios - Yes
Hunter - No
Sabre - Yes
Capital Imperialis - Yes
Thunderhawk Gunship - Yes
Thunderhawk Transport - No?
Landing Craft - Maybe
Storm Bird - Yes
Terminate - Yes
Mole -  Yes

Imperial Guard
Infantry - Yes
Fire Support - Yes
Snipers - Yes
Ogryns - Yes
Robots - Yes
Thudd Guns - Yes
Rapier Laser Destroyers - Yes
Tarantulas - Yes
Mole Mortars - Yes
Storm Troopers - Yes
Valkyries - No
Vultures - No
Rough Riders - Yes
Sentinels - Yes
Salamander - No?
Leman Russ - Yes
LR Conqueror - No?
LR Demolisher - Maybe?
LR Executioner - No?
LR Exterminator - No?
LR Vanquisher - No?
Chimera - No?
Rhino - Yes
Hellhound - Maybe?
Hydra - Maybe?
Destroyer Tank Hunter - No?
Thunderer Siege Tank - No?
Griffon - Maybe?
Basilisk - Yes
Bombard - Yes
Medusa - No?
Manticore - Yes
Deathstrike - No?
Baneblade - Yes
Shadowsword/Mammoth - Yes?
Stormblade - No?
Stormhammer - Maybe?
Stormsword - No?
Gorgon - Yes
Leviathan - Maybe?
Terminate - Yes
Mole -  Yes
Hellbore - Yes

Imperial Navy?
Thunderbolt - No
Marauder - No
Lightning - No
Lightning Strike - No
Marauder Destroyer - No
Marauder Vigilant - No

Titan Legions
Warhound - Yes
Reaver - Yes
Warlord - Yes
Emperor - Yes

I'll leave the traitors and admech for later.





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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:43 am 
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Are we going by the AT fluff - or the newer stuff in the horus heresy books?  I'm 5 books into the HH series, so I can lend a hand there.

Marines:
Assault squads - I'd say yes - the world eaters were all about the assault even before they turned.  
Scouts - No sign of scouts, so I'd agree.
Dreds - there are dreds, though they look like the old epic dreds, not the current ones.
Bikes - I havent read anything about bikes yet, of any type.
Speeders - same with speeders, though I know they had basic ones.
Other Vehicles - All basic, no fancy upgrades
Thunderhawks - They have them, but they are brand new.  Marines use "Storm Birds" - big arse transports.  Thunderhawks are considered "small" by comparison.

Guard - cant say much - they're basically bullet shields in the books so far.

Imperial Navy - According to old epic fluff, the gift of flight was lost during the age of strife - I'd say no to all "inner-atmosphere" aircraft.

Titans - All of those are present.  An imperator was present on Istvaan III - The first battle of the Heresy.  And it survived a massive planet-wide virus bombing, followed by a planet consuming firebombing. :)

Something to add to the AdMech - Ordinatus Mars was built for the sole purpose of defeating the traitors in the AdMech that were holed up in the Jerico Tower on Mars.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:51 am 
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Thanks deacon, updated the list somewhat from your comments ... as to what source to use, I'd say a combination of both would be best ... so not favoring one source over another just yet.

For 'Other Vehicles' do you know if they have Whirlwinds and Razorbacks from the novels?

Well I'll continue on for now, onto the Traitors.

Traitor Legions
Chosen/Terminators - Yes
Possessed - Yes?
Chaos Space Marines/Tactical - Yes
Havocs/Devastators - Yes
Raptors/Assault - Yes
Obliterators - No
Berserkers - Yes
Noise Marines - Yes
Plague Marines - Yes
Thousand Sons - No (Extra Sorcerers/Librarians instead for the Legion)
Dreadnought - Yes (But perhaps identical to its Loyalist counterpart)
Defiler - No?
Bike Squads - Yes
Jetbike Squads - Yes
Land Speeder - Yes
Rhino - Yes
Land Raider - Yes
LR Spartan - Yes
Predator - Yes (I imagine the loyalist one would actually mirror this one rather than vice versa?)
Vindicator - Yes
Whirlwind - Yes
Whirlwind Hyperios - Yes
Sabre - Yes
Death Wheel - No
Decimator - No
Hellblade - No?
Helltalon - No?
Thunderhawk Gunship - Yes?
Thunderhawk Transport - No?
Landing Craft - Maybe
Storm Bird - Yes
Terminate - Yes
Mole -  Yes
Warhound Titan - Yes
Reaver Titan - Yes
Warlord Titan - Yes
Feral Titan - Maybe?
Ravager Titan - Maybe?
Banelord/Plaguelord/Painlord/Warplord Titan - Maybe?

Lost and the Damned/Traitor Guard
Cultists - Yes (At least Infantry)
Fire Support - Yes
Mutants - Yes
Big Mutants - Maybe?
Chaos Hounds - Maybe?
Plague Zombies - No?
Rough Riders - Yes
Sentinels - Yes
Leman Russ - Yes
Chimera - No?
Rhino - Yes?
Hellhound - Maybe?
Hydra - Maybe?
Griffon - Maybe?
Basilisk - Yes
Hellfire Cannon - Maybe?
Defiler - No?
Altar of Chaos - Maybe?
Thunderbolt - No
Marauder - No
Daemon Engines of Khorne - Maybe?
Lord of Battles - Maybe?
Contagion Towers - Maybe?
Plague Tower - Maybe?
Daemon Knights of Slaanesh - Yes?
Subjugator - Maybe?
Questor - Maybe?
Doom Wing - No?
Silver Tower - No?
Fire Lord - No?

General Daemon Pool
Bloodthirster - Yes
Bloodletters - Yes
Flesh Hounds - Yes
Bloodcrushers - Yes?
Great Unclean One - Yes
Plaguebearers - Yes
Nurglings - Yes
Beasts of Nurgle - Yes?
Keeper of Secrets - Yes
Daemonettes - Yes
Steeds of Slaanesh - Yes?
Fiends - Yes?
Lord of Change - Yes
Horrors - Yes
Flamers - Yes
Screamers - Yes?
Furies - Maybe?
Daemonic Beasts - Maybe?
Daemon Princes - No? (Had Horus, Angron, Magnus and the rest been daemonized yet?)





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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:44 am 
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Check out the Bell of Lost Souls site. They had a Heresy game that you could use to help you with the list.




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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:14 am 
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A few points, during the Heresy, Legions had their own titans. It was only post Heresy that titans were divorced from the marine chapters.

Warhound formations were also reduced in size according to the fluff, they used to run around in hunter killer teams of up to 12. I don't think this was represented in the rules though.

Sons of Horus were an all Terminator Legion (best equipped courtesy of Horus)

Ultramarines were vehicle specialists, Space Wolves were drop specialists and Blood Angels were assault specialists.

Some conflicting information here - but make of it what you will.

Space Marine Rulebook:

Tactical Detachment
4 Tactical Stands
4 Support Stands
2 Commanders
500 points

Assault Detachment
4 Assault Stands
1 Commander
300 points

Devastator Detachment
4 Devastator Stands
1 Commander
460 points

Land Raider Detachment
2 Land Raiders
400 points

Rhino Detachment
4 Rhinos
180 points

Whirlwind Detachment
4 Whirlwinds
240 points

Codex Titanicus:

SPACE MARINES

Tactical Detachment
8 x Tactical Stand
2 x Commander

Assault Detachment
4 x Assault Stand
1 x Commander

Devastator Detachment
4 x Devastator Stand
1 x Commander

Predator Detachment
4 x Predator
540

Vindicator Detachment
4 x Vindicator
360

Termite Detachment
4 x Termite
420

Mole Detachment
2 x Mole
360

Bike Detachment
6 x Bike
150

Sidecar Detachment
6 x Bike Combo
150

Jet Bike Detachment
6 x Jet Bike
180

Land Speeder Detachment
6 x Land Speeder
240

Rapier Detachment
4 x Rapier
180

Tarantula Detachment
4 x Tarantula
160

Mole Mortar Detachment
6 x Mole Mortar
120

Thudd Gun Detachment
6 x Thudd Gun
120

Sentinel Detachment
4 x Sentinel

Light Detachment
4 x Derendo

Heavy Detachment
4 x Furibundus

IMPERIAL ROBOTS

Castellan maniple
4 x Castellan
105 points

Cataphract maniple
4 x Cataphract
165 points

Colossus maniple
4 x Colossus
120 points

Conqueror maniple
4 x Conqueror
120 points

Crusader maniple
4 x Crusader
165 points

ORKS

Orks Warband
1 x Warboss Stand
2 x Noble Stand
8 x ‘Eavyboyz Stand
6 x Boyz Stand
650

Stormboyz
6 x Stormboyz Stand
2 x Commander
350

Madboyz
4 x Madboyz Stand
120

Field Gun Detachment
4 x Field Gun
80

War Buggy Detachment
4 x War Buggy
220

Warbike
4 x Warbike
220

Wartrak
4 x Wartrak
180

Battlewagon Detachment
4 x Battlewagon
300

Killer Detachment
4 x Killer Dreadnought
100

Onslaughter Detachment
4 x Onslaughter Dreadnoughts
260

ELDAR

Swooping Hawk Detachment
6 x Swooping Hawk Stand
2 x Commander
430

Avenging Warrior Detachment
6 x Avenging Warrior Stand
2 x Commander
580

Grav-Tank Detachment
3 x Falcon Grav-Tank
420

Field Artillery Detachment
3 x Field Artillery Unit
120

Jet Cycle Detachment
6 x Jet Cycles
180

War Cry Dreadnought Detachment
3 x War Cry Dreadnought
180

Banshee Dreadnought Detachment
3 x Banshee Dreadnought
180

Spirit Warrior Detachment
3 x Vampire Spirit Warrior
135

War Walker Detachment
3 x War Walker
270




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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:09 am 
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Quote: (netepic @ Feb. 05 2010, 17:14 )

Sons of Horus were an all Terminator Legion (best equipped courtesy of Horus)

Are you sure about this? I thought they had jump packers....

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:19 am 
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Quote: (netepic @ Feb. 05 2010, 08:14 )

Sons of Horus were an all Terminator Legion (best equipped courtesy of Horus)

Um, I don't think that's quite true.

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Quote: (Blish @ Feb. 05 2010, 10:19 )

Quote: (netepic @ Feb. 05 2010, 08:14 )

Sons of Horus were an all Terminator Legion (best equipped courtesy of Horus)

Um, I don't think that's quite true.

:ooooo:

Balls :D, I've been unable to find evidence to back up my claim.

Hmmm.... HMMMMM....

I might have to retract that statement :D.

I also should add a disclaimer that the points listed are the original SM1 Battle Ratings of the formations so shouldn't really be used as a guideline.

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Quote: (netepic @ Feb. 05 2010, 10:55 )

Quote: (Blish @ Feb. 05 2010, 10:19 )

Quote: (netepic @ Feb. 05 2010, 08:14 )

Sons of Horus were an all Terminator Legion (best equipped courtesy of Horus)

Um, I don't think that's quite true.

:ooooo:

Balls :D, I've been unable to find evidence to back up my claim.

Hmmm.... HMMMMM....

I might have to retract that statement :D.

I also should add a disclaimer that the points listed are the original SM1 Battle Ratings of the formations so shouldn't really be used as a guideline.

I think you will find two legions such as the Sons of Horus and Mentor Legion, both had legions where most if not all of the men in the legion had been classed as a Sargent and as such had Terminator Honors, but not access to the equipment.

The mentor legion went even further where every unit had a Vortex missile launcher.

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I've dug out the old WD articles and the rulebooks. Here's a few points:


1: The two man jetboke with a heavy weapon: I think it is pretty safe to assume this is a Land Speeder (It fits the description of the original model)

2:
Marie gear (and again: The same stuff would have been available to the traitor legions):
Behemoth (CI)
Terminator Regimantal HQ Regular terminators available in limited numbers
Limited number of CIs
Rhinos,
Predators
Whirlwinds
Vindicators
Land Raiders
Drop Pods
Land Speeders
Jet Bikes
Motorbikes (regular bikes AND attackbikes)
Dreadnoughts
Robots
Tarentulas
Mole MOrtars
Thudd Guns
Rapiers
Termites
Moles
Dropship
Hellbore (only available to Blood Angels and Ultramarines under special circumstances)

3: Knights would also have been available to the imperial army, and Slaanesh oriented traitors.

4: Imperial guard units:
Shadowsword (there's mention of the Mammoth tank which is supposed to be a precursor of the shadowsword)
Baneblade
Leman Russ
Bombard
Manticore
Basilisk
Gorgon
Sentinel
Robot
Mole
Termite
Hellbore
Rough Riders
Jump Pack infantry
Ratlings
Ogryns
Beastmen
Tarentulas
Mole Mortars
Thudd Guns
Rapiers


The Visions of War books also have a number of intersting images, including hover-rhinos, a number of adeptus Mechanicus praetorians

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