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After the delay with the forum being down , i 've gotten a bit of work done on the IG stats for Epic/MSH.

The ranges are calculated like this;

1 kilometer in E:A =30 cm.
1 kilometer in MSH = 10"

So ...a lascannon in E:A is 45cm which translates into 15" in MSH.

Modern infantry defence factor is 5 , i would use this as well for the IG foot infantry.

AFV defence i have calculated like this.

Take the average WH40K AV as 12 and assign it a factor of 5.

So
AV 14= def  7 (Leman Rus front armour.)
AV 13 = def 6 (predator FA)
AV 12 = def 5 (Chimera FA , Leman Rus side armour)
AV 11 = def 4
AV 10 = def 3 (Sentinel FA)

On to AT factors ...A Las cannon has a Strength in WH40K of 9.

It has 1 in 6 chance of penetrating AV 14.
The MSH combat result table gives 1 chance in 6 of a kill when the factors of attack and defence are even.

Therefore a lascannon has a factor of 7.
As a rough guide , take the WH40K weapon strength and deduct 2 = MSH Anti tank factor.

So this gives us Las-cannon  AT 7-15"....

The AI stats are based roughly on MSH trooptypes.
The movement rates are guesstimetes.

TYPE     ;      DEF    :          AT         ;      AI        :   Move

Chimera        5/3  (6)        7-15"(las-C)        6-9"         12"

Infantry         5                7- 15"(las-C)       5-3"           3"

Mortar            5                2-50"                 5-50"         3"

Autocannon    5                 5-15"                 5-9"           3"

Sentinel (A-C)  3/3              5-15"                 5-9"           6"

Bikers             5                    -                    5-6"          12"

L Rus             7/5               7-24" (1)            6-24"          9"

Hellhound        5/5               4-3" (2)              6-3"         12"

Basilisk           5/3                7-30"                 7-21"         9"
indirect fire                          4-80"                 6-80"

Manticore (ind) 5/3               5-100"             7-100"     9"    
Also has flak ability   AA 5-50"

Hydra              5/3               6-15"                6-9"       12"

Shadow Sword (3)   9/9 ?       10-30"             8-12"         6"


note (1)...This assumes the rus fires battle cannon with specialist AT rounds.

note (2)...A flamethrower with a range of a km ?...no way.

note (3)...I have no idea of a S-Swd AV in WH40K , its a guess , i would think its better than the way it is represented in E:A .

If SHT and Titans are said to be multiple platoons which fight as one model , then this might work.

Lets say a S-swd is 3 platoons so it can fire 3 times when it has 3 lives and only twice when reduced to 2 lives ..  etc.

Also it could count as being 1 level higher for both spotting  and being spotted and can fire overhead.Its going to make them a lot better than in E:A  , but i'm okay with that.

Looking forward to some input .

Commissar Zak

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A quick response just to tell you I'm still listening. In 40k there seems not to be greater armor value than 14 since the superheavies all have armour of 14. IMO this is stupid; a SUPERheavy tank should have front armor greater than a Leman Russ or even a Land Raider.

I really like your ideas about the superheavies.

I'll write a more detailed comment when I have time to refresh my memory about the rules of MSH. That may take a while as the consturction project I'm in the middle of saps about all my free time at the moment so please be patient.

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No problem.

To refresh your memory ,

The MSH crt is

6   = dead
4 or 5 = suppressed
1,2 or 3 = a miss.

Deduct the defence from the Attack value and use it to modify the 1d6 roll.

ie Hammerhead railgun AT 8 versus  Leman Rus front armour of 7 is +1 on the die roll.

5 or 6 ...a kill , 3 or 4...suppressed, 1 or 2 ...missed.

You can never get better than +3 on the die roll , or worse than -3.
If the modifier falls below -3 , you can still suppress on an 11 or 12 on a 2d6 roll.
A die roll of 1 is always a miss.

BTW , i was thinking that Vultures would be helicopters instead of skimmers .

Def 5   AT 8-30" missiles, AI 8-12"  rockets, (this assumes it has a 12 armour in WH40K ?)

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Yes, Vultures and Valkyries should be helicopters while Thunderhawks are best handled as VTOL aircraft.

I don't remember the armor value of Vulture & Valkyrie off hand; my copy of Imperial Armour 1 is at home.

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I agree about the SHT armour , its got to be better than 14.

In one of the Gaunts Ghost books , a Rus tank fires Auspex rounds at close range at a Chaos Baneblade which pierces its armour , however none of the other tanks can !.
And in fact the Baneblade is destroyed when an IG tank shoots through the holes caused by the Auspex rounds.

The stats for the Rus, a couple of posts back ,mentions specialist AT rounds in the notes .These are the Auspex rounds mentioned above.

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Both Vulture and Valkyrie have armor F11-S11-R10.

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Cheers , so that makes them Def 4.

BTW i 've talked one of the guys in my group into play testing the ideas we have been talking about.

He is an Eldar player  , so i'm now working on stats for them instead of the Violators.

And the first problem that pops up is .....pop ups.

Pop up attacks work different in MSH as formations rely on a recce helicopter to spot for the pop up attack.
I was thinking of binning that idea and popping up the same way as we do in E:A .

The pop up platoon firing during the "moving while firing phase".
Although it would count as a disapearing target.
So could only be fired on by static firers.

I'm guessing this is a problem you might have looked at ,as the Tau might be more in focus for you .Seeing as you originally called this project "Hammerhead".

My current pet name for it is "Regiment 40K " .
(I thought of Divisional 40K , but as there are no divisional organisations in 40K so it didn't fit. )

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I was thinking along the same lines but never got that far. As for the name, it is simply a rather unimaginative combination of warhammer and spearhead.  

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What kind of transports do you think basic IG infantry regiments would have? Trucks? Lightly armored trucks or BTRs? Halftracks? Transport helicopters? Transport skimmers? Small or big? None of these are present in WH40K or Epic games, but they'd be present in a bigger scale.

Probably all of the above, and more, depending on which world a regiment comes from, it's tech level, main role in battle, etc etc.

In Gaunts Ghosts the Ghosts use soft-top trucks when they head into Vervunhive (sp?) in Necropolis. Halftracks are also mentioned at several points in the books.

Let your imagination run wild...

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