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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:17 am 
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Quote: (Otterman @ 18 Jul. 2008, 10:03 )

My friendly AcuCast guy called, and said that he's going to try a few different orientations, and see if better results were possible.

We then discussed how their Viper machines have a high definition mode, but because the beam size is so small, the build time increases by a factor of 5. That in turn leads to a factor of 5 increase in cost. Waaaa.

5x increase in cost? OUCH!  my wallet just bit me!  

Do I want to know how much one of these Viper machines would cost a mere mortal to buy?  There's some 3d files I'd like to ... experiment with.

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 Post subject: Request help w/ FW Armageddon Basilisk
PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:39 am 
A crapload of money, I'm sure. Perhaps > $35000 US?

You can send your STL files to AcuCast, and a piece of automated software can offer you a quote.





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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:21 pm 
First enclosure mold mostly successful.
Fat cannon and artillery cannon mold poured last night.
Flak cannons not yet started.


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 Post subject: Request help w/ FW Armageddon Basilisk
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:19 pm 
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Is that the newest version of it in the Necron Scenery Thread? Can't see anything wrong with it.

Its making me jealous though . . .  :sad:

Oops, just re-read it. Just ignore me  :whistle:





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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:22 pm 
In for a penny, in for a pound. I'm currently negotiating with some fellow modellers from another forum for some time on their high-definition machines.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:50 pm 
I just commissioned Todd Boyce of Ninja Magic ( http://www.ninjamagic.com/ ) to use his super duper high definition machine to re-do the Armageddon enclosure.

Here's the kicker: he's also going to investment cast it in bronze. This implies that not only will I be able to make my own molds for resin casting, but conceivably a high volume vulcanized rubber mold for metal casting.

The current cast looks acceptable, but I really want a feeling of closure on this thing.

Update on current jobs:
Fat cannon and artillery cannon are casting well.
Primed and basecoated 1 of each last night.
Flak cannons still not started. I need to cut a piece of plasticard filler to make the fit better.





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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:49 pm 
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Looks excellent as it is! I'm sure you'll make lots of generous friends if you sort the molds. :grin:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:58 pm 
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What's an investment cast in bronze? Sounds very cool...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:18 pm 
Here's what the other Todd (Todd Boyce of NinjaMagic) emailed me:

"If you're intending to mold and cast this part, a raw output won't be very useful to you for three reasons.

1) The parts my machine creates are very fragile, and will shatter if dropped. This is not as much of a concern for this particular piece since it doesn't have any flimsy parts, but you will still have to be careful handling it. Details like the rivets can break off just by rubbing a finger across them. It will be much more fragile than the parts you got from the Viper.

2) They can not be vulcanized except at a low temperature and even then they will likely distort under pressure. I've done fairly extensive testing and the results are not pretty.

3) The parts may leach a substance which interferes with the curing of silicone molds. It can be done I've heard, you just need to let the parts "dry" for a week or two before trying. If it doesn't work though, you're screwed. Also, there is a chance that small details like the rivets could break off when extracted from the mold possibly giving you only one shot to get a good cavity.


> But how does one perform an investment cast in bronze?

Investment casting (aka lost wax casting) is a jewelry process where a sprue is attached to the part and it is then dropped into a metal flask filled with a ceramic or plaster-like slurry. The slurry hardens and encases the object to be cast.

Then it is put into a kiln and heated to a couple of thousand degrees which vaporizes the model and the sprue leaving a hollow cavity. This is why it is called an "investment" - because you're destroying the original as an investment for a more valuable metal copy.

Metal is poured into the cavity and when cooled, the mold is shattered and the perfect metal copy is extracted. In jewelry, the metal used is typically silver or gold, but bronze is better for our purposes. It is very cheap, it results in very clean investment casts, and it plays nice with vulcanizing molds.

Also a metal master won't ever be destroyed or damaged in the moldmaking process so you can always make new molds off of it if you change casters, or need a new master mold.

Trust me when I say that the only time you should ever order a raw prototype from me is when you know that you're going to make adjustments and it is simply to do a visual check to make sure the scale of details is right, or to test-fit parts.

Or to check the quality of my output of course. ;)

After dealing with this stuff for 3+ years, I can't stress the importance enough of having durable metal masters.

I do have to do prep work to a model if it is intended for investment casting (I have to add what I call a "sprue hardpoint" to the part) because otherwise proper clean-up on the part is pretty much impossible.
So, if I run a raw output without the intent for investment casting, understand that you can't change your mind once I launch the job on the machine."


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:57 pm 
Another update: I just commissioned Justicar of Starship Combat News to make one on his Eden machine. So, I will have 3 comparative price and quality points to judge from.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:13 pm 
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Thanks for the info on the investment casting, Otter - it's every bit as cool as I had hoped...
Good luck with your trail-blazing modelling journey!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:04 pm 
For some reason, the AcuCast guy must have felt badly about the Arma enclosure, so he printed off 3 more copies and sent them to me. They look like they have been through some sort of polish, as the layering is less distinct. The lack of rivets is the same, though.

Having grown unhappy with the current Arma enclosure mold, I think I will make a new mold from these polished versions. That will make me feel productive until the other 2 printer guys make their respective versions.

Minimal progress otherwise - added a 1mm filler sheet to the flak cannons and laid out the clay for them.





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 Post subject: Request help w/ FW Armageddon Basilisk
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:23 pm 
Flak cannons are casting OK. Made one sample and basecoated it with Vallejo Deck Tan.

Mr. Boyce of Ninja Magic informed me that the high-resolution print of the enclosure has begun.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:52 pm 
There's something wrong with Todd's printer; one side is acting goofy. But while we're waiting for a fix, here's a picture of the good side.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:33 pm 
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