Don't know about that. People don't always react well when you tell them they can get a special offer and a bit later that "special offer" is the standard price.

Indeed, considering how small our community is, I'd rather honestly fail, than dishonestly win!

We're being very transparent with our costs, for example, to make it clear how we're not really looking to make any profit at this time. Every pound spent gets poured back into improving the plastic sprue or unlocking stretch goals that themselves make profit for improving the plastic sprue.

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Couldn't agree more; nor put it better myself.

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I'm not sure I've been understood correctly : I meant to keep the current prices as pre-order prices (since that's what they are), and announce slightly higher "production prices" for after the funding campaign.

That's standard practice, and even a price drop after a few month is also standard practice in some domains (video games come to mind). Since everyone who pledged will essentially get the same thing, and only latecomer would get slightly higher price, I personally don't think this would be an issue at all.

I don't see how this prevent transparency (you only need to be clear about it after all), and I don't see how it would be cheating on us either. Actually, on the project page, there are no mentions of a retail price at all.

Take £2 off everything and that'll be the RRP. The £2 pays for postage, which would be added on by the webstore in any case.

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You mean that the RPP will be lower than the pre-order price ? Ben, you know how to sculpt, but please at least keep this a secret if you actually want your funding campaign to succeed...

Actually, that's when things are done in this order that I'm feeling cheated.

No I mean that it will be exactly the same price, just that p&p will be visible separately when it's on the final website (£20 + £2 UK post or £5 international post).

Doing it through Indiegogo it was more simple to wrap the UK p&p into the main sticker price, and only charge additional for international postage (£22 + £3 for international).

Does that make sense?

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It makes sense, and I understand why it's more practical to do it that way.

It will also look and feel very bad for early backers, and it actually encourages people to wait and "see where it will goes" before committing any money.

You need to make your backers feel privileged in some way. This will feel like the exact opposite : they will feel like the initial pledgers are USED to fuel the investment for later profit.

Of course these are only two ways of saying the same thing, but they don't feel the same, even to me, and I dare not think what this will feel like for people who have not been part of the same community, following your projects and speaking with you for years.

Considering that the end result is a product that is exactly the same price, I don't really get why it will look or feel bad to see the product on sale for exactly the same price in our webstore in 2 months.

Do you really think I should add £2 to everything in 2 months' time, and that will make people happy?
And then in four months' time I should reduce the price of everything by £2?

Here's some perspective:
Because I've opened up the new metals before they're actually technically paid for (at about £4100), as it stands I'm about £500 in the red - if the project were to end now, that's how much money I would lose.

There is no extra profit floating around here to provide more free things for people.

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Hi,,i am totally with Athmospheric regarding the importance of the box.The sprue should be prioritiy number one and all strechtgoals should reflect that. I had similar suggestions but didn’ want to butt in. Unfortunately am bursting with excitment and want to help really bad.
I have expirience in game design for mobile and PC, as a conceptartist, with packaging and marketing/advertisment. As said i don’t want to butt in but would like help you more.

My idea number 1:
Is this possible to make the stretchgoals like that? :
1 new pose variant + metal bitz
1 new pose variant + new tank
etc.
The main problem would likely be that giving both sides (Alien+ Humans) a new pose would cost 1200 pounds. Wich is to high as a stretchgoal for this projekt, i think.
Can the metal pay for itself?
(edit: seems not possible)

Idea number 2:
Bring the costs to the indiegogo page. List what a strechgoal could bring to you. Show that your are dedicated to the hobby and not trying to grab a buck. You do that here but not on the fundingpage.

Idea number 3:
Bring the Beef to the front! I think it would be best to write about the projekt first and then talk about who you are. Both is important, but the priority is always the product. Your are not a brand yet. Also Pictures, Pictures, Pictures! (I could make you a template for your pictures)

Idea number 4:
Put some metalbits - leaders or specialists, transporterbits - in the box. Like Perry Miniatures or other historical mniature makers.

Damn, now i feel like i butted in...

Al

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http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=31704

I get the feeling we are discussing a lot what you already have thought about. (edit does that even make sense?)

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http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=31704

It does.
The most common request at the moment seems to be to do add-ons which make use of the plastic sprue. So I think we will try that at the next stretch goal level. AA vehicles for both armies?

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more flakk is always useful.
but a single design flakk gun 'insert' would work for both races I feel (half the price!) , unless the humans are to get boxy missiles.

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I was thinking something like:

AA Vehicles Set - £20 + postage (£2 or £5)
2x infantry & apc's sprue
24x plastic bases
4x metal human AA guns
4x metal alien AA guns

8x AA tanks plus a load more infantry & bases. Sounds good?
I think multiple gun designs for the aliens would be possible in that price bracket.

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Sure i already posted 5 mins ago, but can't find it now i want to edit it

Anyway, congrats on the funding so far! and great news that the Churchilian is now part of the funding - Looks like i'll be jumping on board too! Just before i do, any chance there will be a box of "9 Chuchillians and 1 Blackprince " option available? Or maybe the optional spare turret could be included in the set ? Might make steel legion commanders very happy...