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Ukrainian Slavegirl

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:33 pm 
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Whatever i think of the mini, the link needed a nudity warning tag.

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If the model was in a chain of both male and female models, would it be so objectionable?


I would have no objection to a shackled, historical, male slave mini. Diorama makers may find a legitimate use for such. Not my area of hobby, but this has valid uses.

Similarly I would have no objection to a shackled, historical, male & female slave mini pair.

And likewise, i have no objection to this mini … in isolation … however, on his site it is catalogued under the section 'victim girls'. For me the fact that such a category exists on his site flips the balance from legitimate historical diorama topic, to something less savory.

*edit, they are slaves not salves ::)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:21 pm 
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How about "Victims - Female" or just "Victims"? The category is named in a manner that implies that "Victim Girls" is a single label and not the intersection of two classifications. It implicitly states that there will be no male victim models.

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Hena: It's about context, and the context here is fetishistic.

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 Post subject: Re: Ukrainian Slavegirl
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:29 pm 
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I should also pointo out the miniatures name leads me to the same conclusion; she's not a girl who's a slave, she's a slavegirl - one word, inseperable into its components.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:46 pm 
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Very valid point Hena :)

In the same way i don't disagree with the mini being a potentialy valid subject, I see that I can't disagree that 'victim girls' could be a valid category. It does accurately describe it's members.

But, as SG says, other names could be used – other, less charged, names. As my concern is about intent and context, not the sculpt itself, the decision to categorise it as 'victim girls' rather than something along the lines of 'Victims – Female' is what makes me see it unfavorably. I personally see it as 28mm –> historical –> slaves –> female, consciously calling something in that area 'victim girl' seems to be give it a different intent. That said, he should be free to sculpt what he wants, just don't put it on taccom.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:12 pm 
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Hena: It's about context, and the context here is fetishistic.

Agreed ... And come on guys ... it's a buxom nake female whose hands are bound behind her back ... The female could be from most time periods to today. But ... it's really not what we normally view on this website ... or want to ... It's not a statue from a great artistic artists ... It's a well sculpted figure, but I suspect really has limited appeal to most of the denizens of this site ... But as I always Do What Works For You ...

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 Post subject: Re: Ukrainian Slavegirl
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:32 pm 
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...Am I really the only one upset to discover that it's a miniature?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:39 am 
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I like the commissar and the post apoc stuff some nice work in there.

I think the model in question is quite well sculpted, to me it represents a 'real' woman with thicker thighs and hips instead of the waif thin anime women that alot of companies sculpt.

As for the content well thats up to the mods and the board to decide the effective 'maturity rating' at which people post/link etc.

If I had a child of forum reading age and he saw those images I dont think I would be too concerned, I would talk to him about it and explain what they are and represent but there are alot more graphic pics available on the web which are easily accessable which I would have alot more problems with.


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 Post subject: Re: Ukrainian Slavegirl
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:50 am 
I'm still wondering about what the Ukrainian aspect is.


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I'm still wondering about what the Ukrainian aspect is.


The Ukranians from the middle ages used to have a specific style of neck clasp that they used for their captured prisoners/slaves and it can be seen on this model. All other countries/regions used to use a more simple hinged clasp and so the Ukranians were the only ones to use this device.







Note: the above is total BS ;D


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Ukrainien is the hint that she's blond, linked also to the hair style. Might have well have called it Aryan Slavegirl.

The guy has a broader catergory of girls, with two sub-cats - 'action girls' and 'victim girls'.
out of all of the models (11, i think) one is fully dressed (and quite a nice sculpt). Half of them are 'victims' while the other half are inexplicably wandering around with their huge tits out in a warzone.

the slave clasp on the UKranian appears to be modeled on one used during the slave trade (which had a very slight tendency to be inflicted on blacks, not ukrainians) , so I'm not sure it's even useful for a historical diorama. But Ukraine is one of the modern hot spots of sexual slavery.

it's a nice study of anatomy, the nudity doesn't bother me at all but the concept (hurr hurr sexy east european naked, tied up and fearfully waiting) is in deeply, deeply bad taste. The rest of his 'girl' catergory only goes to confirm it.

I agree with the block image, leave link solution.

And I'll leave a link of my own: http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/kl ... oty/latest
enjoy ;)

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Three. Hooligan Girl #1 and #2 have very small shirts on, but they expose about as much skin as a Catachan or Lara Croft.

Some of the non-girl miniatures are quite nice.

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