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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:55 pm 
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Does anyone know if moredakka is prepared to travel with stock in future?


The answer to that one is easy, unfortunately I don't drive so the answer would have to be no, unless I hired a van and driver which would probably negate any profits made on the day.

Going to shows/conventions can be expensive for small traders such as myself and 6mm does not sell by the bucket load so it's often not worth the effort. I'd rather spend the money on new stock really.

But never say never.

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You need a Vanguard Minis Vanguards group methinks! ;D

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:22 pm 
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Regarding getting new collectors/players - for me the approach has been just to try and put on a multiplayer game every few weeks at our local club with good scenery and painted minis. Gone from 2.5 local players to 7 in 12-18months with 2/3 more expressing an interest last time. People playing and nice minis increase the player base exponentially...


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:40 pm 
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Just my $0.02 USD.

I have been thinking about this since Tom decided to shut down SCP.

It seems that the tough part for folks like SCP and TMG has been the retail storefront side of things.

I have never run something like that myself (I was a fast food kid way back), but I can imagine the challenge in adding that to anyone's busy personal schedule. I am in IT sales which takes me away from home a good bit of the time, I volunteer as a lighting designer/director at a local church, I am a parent of 2 very busy little girls, and I suffer from some medical things which have required me to be hospitalized. Hobby time is scarce I get it.

So how can we, the eager customers and others help out here?

I think utilizing a distributor (Vanguard, Chaos Orc, etc) to relieve you of the burden of the retail storefront is phenomenal. The talent in the sculpts is amazing, so if you have limited time, I would prefer you focus on the creativity which is producing fine and inspiring models.

Would moving to a quarterly order system be less of a burden than continuing retail? Something similar to the Kickstarter, but with retail pre-sales to collect the orders prior to submission?

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January - pre orders for XYZ army go up, Deadline March for distributors to collect orders (and order a few extra % for stock if they want), submitted to Caster, split once, and sent to 3 or 4 global distributors. That way you have no stock to keep, less odd order quantities, less items in the air at a time, less out of pocket cost.

The reason I mention this is that another hobby of mine, as well as some stuff my wife does, are all based on "group buys". This allows the participants to take advantage of economies of scale (not sure how that works for your casters, but I can imagine sporadic orders have to kill you on shipping), while keeping the burden low on you, the creator.

anyway, just a few thoughts, we love your models out here, and I certainly am not done spending money with you if you keep your stuff available.

Also as a note, a quarterly buy also frees up more budget than I may have available in a single month (and would likely save me shipping too!)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:57 pm 
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Some good thoughts, there, MM. I hadn't considered an order system like that before.

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The Baccus model of production is they hold no stock as they do the casting in house. They also set thier production to one spin on one mould = on standard pack. This helps keep overheads and money locked into stock to a minimum.

I thought it worth mentioning but it may not be precticable in this current scenario though.

I would worry that quarterly ordering would put some people off as it lacks the 'instant gratification' we are so use to in this increasingly hectic life.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:44 pm 
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Quarterly ordering is a good idea but as Cranium27 says it probably would not work in reality, most people want their models as soon as available.

As the retailer from my point of view a steady level of purchases from customers is all that is required to keep me ticking over. Once I've built up sufficient funds I can order a re-stock it's all down to turn over really, you guys buy my stuff and I buy more stuff for you guys, a mutually supporting arrangement.

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moredakka wrote:
you guys buy my stuff and I buy more stuff for you guys, a mutually supporting arrangement.


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Quarterly orders would still be faster than some retailers !! :-)

Seriously though - a transparent ordering system whereby you knew when all products would be restocked with an option to "advance order" for that date would be a good idea. I've lost count of the times I've planned to make an order only to see one or two items are out of stock, wait not knowing when they'll be back and then when they are something else is unavailable. Personally I always buy in at least £50 batches to keep p&p down to less than 10% and would be happy to wait a couple of months.


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The margins on the majority of Epic stuff sold are significant, up to the producer to decide if the money their making is worth the time/hassle of packing them.
I presume other projects have reduced the time Ben has available to spend on designing/packing/selling so that it isn't worth it.
SCP used to be very efficient when they had a couple of employees posting on here, obviously for whatever reason that situation changed too.

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Quarterly orders would still be faster than some retailers !! :-)

Seriously though - a transparent ordering system whereby you knew when all products would be restocked with an option to "advance order" for that date would be a good idea. I've lost count of the times I've planned to make an order only to see one or two items are out of stock, wait not knowing when they'll be back and then when they are something else is unavailable. Personally I always buy in at least £50 batches to keep p&p down to less than 10% and would be happy to wait a couple of months.


I understand your frustrations mate i've been there too. My site will show numbers of items available at all times once I have them in stock. Onslaught minis should be in store by monday except for the new release models and the re-designed sisters tanks (fewer parts per model) these will be delayed as the caster has not yet supplied Don at onslaught.

TMG stock hopefully by mid november at the latest again it's down to the casters ability to supply.

Blip, i'm always happy to order for a particular customer so that they get everything together. You would just have to wait until I did a re-stock myself and I would just add your order to my own. I'd be prepaired to hold back stock until I could supply all items as well so that the situation you describe would not occur.

Pre-orders help me to see which models I need to stock/order more of, so if there's enough demand i'd consider running such a scheme as you describe.

I'm here to sell minis so please don't be afraid to ask such questions, I want your custom and will help if I can.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:50 pm 
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I think one of the problems is that epic is a static game, theres not very much room for growth as nothing really 'new' is able to be made for it, as epic is GW game, and pretty much everything needed for it has already been made.

What (at least imo) is more exposure to 6mm gaming in general and less 'models-made-for-epic'.

Another problem is At 6mm a lot of people buy a whole army in one go, and therefore after the initial buy don't really need more minis for it in the future, unless expanding the whole army, but even then may have left overs or able trade for bits.

Though I dont agree with GWs business practice as a whole, there is good reason to ditch old versions of the game repeatedly, and make new models, make old models obsolete, and turn the non-sellers in to this years WAAC desirable unit. I'd hate to see 6mm go this route, as lets face it, GW has really **** on its fans as of the last tens years- but they are clearly still turning over enough profit to keep churning out new stuff!

Perhaps its time to make 6mm more profitable by expanding the 6mm hobby as a whole. A lot of people might not be interested in this- they like epic and the fluff of 40k and dont want to play other games/other type of settings, but if 6mm sci-fi became less 'just epic' and a few odd people playing 'odd obscure games in 6mm' then it could become a hobby on its own and might then have room to expand and grow.

I will be fully disappointed if Troublemaker stop making stuff, as they have a lot of stuff out now that I still want to add to my collection- but if they, and other 6mm makers go under, then I still have more than enough epic minis to last a life time of battles. Helped by the fact i never paint armies, as I have not played any games for more years than I care to remember, my spending is a lot less than some one that buys new armies for tournaments or games at homes. I just buy what I like/can afford and dont always buy enough to really cover the cost of the postage!

Another issue I have noticed (which is less my opinion and more fact as I have seen this for myself) is the increase in epic traders and 6mm traders on places like ebay. Some people buy GW epic stuff at stupid prices for reasons, perhaps they dont know about proxies or want the official models, but I have seen a lot of troublemaker stuff on ebay at stupid prices, claiming to be epic proxies. Yes, they are used as proxies but often the re-seller is failing to point out that these minis are not the forumware or limited edition proxies they (at least to me) seem to be trying to make out to be.

6mm sci-fi is not a loved scale. I put up a picture log on dakkadakka (only stuff I have posted here over the last two years) and thought it might conjure up some more exposure to the new wave of 6mm but have received only 100 views and 1 reply. Yes, im not a fantastic painter, and yes I tend to ramble (see above post for proof! ;D ) but I was surprised at the lack of interest it gained, even If all I was expecting was a few "omg how do paint some thing so small" or "lol epic was awesome in the day but now its dead lol"

Maybe its because my log isn't as full of talent like some on here, but I wasn't expecting such a silence!

And if 6mm sci-fi is bad, then how do you think 6mm fantasy gamers must feel! We are even more neglected!


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:30 pm 
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You make some valid points RexHavoc and as you say 6mm sci fi is not well liked by the mainstream gaming community.

Most of the guys on this forum I should think have grown up with epic over the years and never lost their love for the game in whatever incarnation. This forum has been instrumental in keeping epic alive, in fact it was the discovery of this forum that brought me back into the fold so to speak as once SG went under I drifted away from GW for several years, the forum brought me back.

Despite GW attitude to it's customers i've always loved the grim dark gothic 40k universe and it's that background that I wish to play in but there are many other gaming universes in which to indulge.

Getting new blood for the 6mm sci fi scene will always be hard work.

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I think it good marketing to pull on those common shared tropes and events that GW also did because they speak a familiar universal language. If they work in the GW universe for 6mm gaming, great! However gamers need to not just limit themselves to what's gone before. This is where I thought TMG did great with taking inspiration from WW1 Laurence of Arabia for the desert troopers and Deacons work on the Hellborn drawing from Bosch and traditional hell motifs in European religious art.

Anyways the number one way to promote 6mm is in my opinion taking it out of the house and getting it in front of people. Nothing like a second (or fifth ;)) army to share with people.

I think people see 6mm and often they don't comment for several reasons. Some is, they've got no exposure and nothing to add. Also most people just don't comment versus look. I mean, I ape all those dust and dead zone plogs but as I don't collect or paint it, I enjoy it in silence. Lately, and what I think is most important for 6mm is to play up on the strengths of that scale which is namely big epic armies duking it out. Taking a picture of you terminators is cool. Taking pictures of big battles with hundreds of tanks and thousands of troops in a realized battleground with great scenery is... Well, epic :)

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