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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:29 pm 
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Those are useful size calculations G. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:07 pm 
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Thanks!!

I just made the calculations using the wiki data, but it is easy to make them with whatever source.

The problem with the "true" scale I suppose is that it could make it "impractical"...I cant imagine a playable 60 cm titan...although it would be absolutely awesome!!

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Gwydion wrote:
Thanks!!

I just made the calculations using the wiki data, but it is easy to make them with whatever source.

The problem with the "true" scale I suppose is that it could make it "impractical"...I cant imagine a playable 60 cm titan...although it would be absolutely awesome!!

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Hi!

I think that is why all the original ones are "out of scale". At some point the practicalities of packaging and distribution as well as using them in play and storing them must be bowed to.

As cool as doing them at true scale is, even I would have a problem of storing 20 of 50-60cm higher models. ;)

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I find that the notion of "over service" applies to this "true" scale. Just because you can run the air conditioning at maximum, it doesn't mean you have to. Huge portions of food do not taste better. Huge sized minis do not look better just because they are big.

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As cool as doing them at true scale is, even I would have a problem of storing 20 of 50-60cm higher models. ;)

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Does that imply that you "only" have space for the current imperators? What a shame...;-)

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Gwydion wrote:
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As cool as doing them at true scale is, even I would have a problem of storing 20 of 50-60cm higher models. ;)

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Does that imply that you "only" have space for the current imperators? What a shame...;-)

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I did say it would cause a "problem", not that it was impossible. ;)

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WTB truescale 2mm 40k minis line!

I think it would be awesome with the E40k ruleset...


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:52 pm 
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2mm you say ? CHeck this out ! > http://shop.groundzerogames.co.uk/index ... &cat_id=10

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Not bad! Bit lacking in the grimdark flavor, but not bad at all. It does show the limitations of the scale, though. I think in a 2mm game the titans and superheavies should be the stars, the tanks are there for massed minis and the infantry are mainly to show off the size of the big guys.


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There really are some nice minis there ... I've used some for 6mm weapon upgunning ...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:10 am 
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I wonder where the Titans got tripled in size?

According to Adeptus Titanicus:

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TITAN TYPES
Titans are divided into a number of broad types, depending on their size and function. Battle Titans and Emperor Titans are among the most numerous. but there are lesser types, such as the dreaded Psi-Titans, and the fast, lightly-armed Scout Titans.

Battle Titans stand between 40 and 80 feet tall. Each Battle Titan is protected by up to six Void Sheild Generators, and armed with a a variety of weapons. Thus armed and armoured, these powerful fighting machines are the workhorses of the Military Orders of the Collegia Titanica.

Emperor Titans are taller - some 70 to 100 feet tall - and considerably bulkier. They can carry even more Very Heavy Weapons than Battle Titans, making them fearsomely destructive machines. These massive Titans are among the most powerful forces deployable on a planetary surface.
Emperor Titans have another, equally important function: they are huge, mobile temples of the imperial Cult. The Executive orders use them to bring the word of the lmperium and the pax Imperia to isolated worlds.

All Titans are split into a number of classes according to their basic design. By far the most common class of Battle Titan is the Warlord, and this is the type represented by the models in this box. For longer than there has been an Imperium there have been Warlord class Battle Titans, and millions have been built to the design, It is popular with all the Military Orders of the Collegia Titanica; its well-known handling characteristics and capabilites also make it an ideal test-bed for the new devices of the Research Orders of the Divisio Investigatus.


So this would imply the following measurements:

Warhound - ??
Reaver - 12.2m
Warlord - 24.3m
I. Titan - 30.5m


I know, just got back from hiatus and already pot-stirring :spin

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GW is well known for changing "fluff" ... From when I started Epic in '90 to when they dropped Epic about a decade later. :o

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Agreed, L4! I started playing 40K in the '88-'89 range (Rogue Trader) days and almost immediately moved to epic. The only consistency has been change...


From Titan Legions (2nd Edition)

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Super Heavy Vehicles: Super heavy vehicles are represented by individual models. Super heavy vehicles, as their name implies, are large war machines the size of a big building or in some cases a city block! Examples include Ork battle fortresses and the Imperium's Baneblade super heavy tank. Undoubtedly the biggest super heavy vehicles are those built by the Squats which rival Titans in size and firepower. Most super heavy vehicles are tracked due to their great weight, though huge tunnelers and gravitically
powered machines also exist.

Titans
Battle Titans: Battle Titans are represented by individual models. Battle Titans are giant bipedal war machines it
excess of 10 meters tall, heavily armoured, protected by energy shields and hideously beweaponed. Battle Titan
have a substantial number of crewmen to operate them and are capable of sustaining (and repairing) a considerable amount of damage before they are destroyed.


And from Adeptus Titanicus (E40K rev)

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EMPEROR CLASS TITAN
Emperor class Titans tower some 25 to 40 metres tall. They mount veritable arsenals of weaponry and are
protected by up to twelve void shield generators and armour so thick it would not be out of place on a
planetary defence installation. Emperor Class Titans are amongst the largest mobile battle units that can be
deployed on a planetary surface and each one forms a vital part of the Imperium’s strategy. Emperor class
Titans employ the same technologies as Battle Titans but on a massive scale, featuring huge plasma reactors
to supply their colossal requirements.

IMPERATOR EMPEROR CLASS TITAN
The Imperator is one of the larger examples of an Emperor class Titan.


Interestingly enough, Titans were pretty consistent in size through E40K. Also this would imply (to me at least) that SHTs should be the size of Leviathans, Leviathans the size of C.I. and C.I. the size of.....

I love the thought of true scale but overall, am just happy to have such a large amount of proxies and minis to choose form these days!

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Yes, it's like Orwellian New Speak ... every so often for reasons only known to denizens of GW, they change things .... ??? >:( ::)

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I think that a graph depicting the growth of stuff throughout the existence of the 41st would be a nice read.

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