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Author:  Xisor [ Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:54 am ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
And they say the Demiurg Commerce Vessels are majestic and gargantuan sights to behold...

Well. You'd better enjoy this. The only things really missing are the ideas concerning the Keep class station and a few other tidbits. Hopefully not much though! I'm very pleased with this. Digest at your leisure.

Xisor. Tired.
Author:  Raysokuk [ Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
At a first glance (i'll get round to reading it properly tonight):

(Brother hoods) Are the points for brother hoods in addition to paying +10% for a refit? Also, they automatically get one (a free refit!?)
**What if you could combine this with rerolls?: For every brotherhood you may buy a refit or a reroll (1 per 500pts)! Brotherhoods should always come with the ships automatically!

(Cutting beam max) Are the cutting beams supposed to be limited on the Stronghold and Garrison? (There's a typo in Armada that can be read either way).

(Citadel) Shouldn't this be 12 hits? Due to automation? (+2 hits over the Stronghold)

(Garrison) Where did the broadside lances come from? Also where is the single dorsal launch bay?

(Repair points) Shouldn't the Stronghold and Citadel offer repair points instead of having a pirate base?

(Rerolls/Renown) There are just too many rerolls!!! It should be 0,1,2,3,4,5!

(Typo) the points for the Stronghold and Citadel are wrong in the fleet list.

(Refits) S 1: is this instaed of the normal +1 to Ld?
S 4: There should be a down side, perhaps only +1 hit?
S 6: This should not affect boarding!
D 5: Just suck the Bm's up, or dicount them. Also don't put 'as apposed to 4+' as this could be interpreted as only recieving 5+ saves against hits on the hull when BFI'd.

More later, cheers,

RayB
Author:  Xisor [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:49 pm ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
(Brother hoods) Are the points for brother hoods in addition to paying +10% for a refit? Also, they automatically get one (a free refit!?)


One brotherhood with each capital ship. This includes the free refit. This pretty much brings the Bastion up to a decent standard and gives a bit of variety to the fleet. Maybe too much on the bigger ships, but we'll see.

**What if you could combine this with rerolls?: For every brotherhood you may buy a refit or a reroll (1 per 500pts)! Brotherhoods should always come with the ships automatically!

Hmm. I'm kinda set to keep them distinct. I thought it'd be nice to have them dependent on each other, but I don't see a gain in putting them together. All capital ships have Brotherhoods, though I was more than half tempted to bring up rules for fully automated commerce vessels...

As it stands, I'm happy to keep them seperate. The costs listed for Brotherhoods is for the extras on the Stronghold and Citadel.

(Cutting beam max) Are the cutting beams supposed to be limited on the Stronghold and Garrison? (There's a typo in Armada that can be read either way). I stuck with keeping them capped. No overwhelming reason, but it would seem a bit silly if we ended up with a Stronghold unleashing a S17 Lance shot and some poor bugger failing their BFI...

(Citadel) Shouldn't this be 12 hits? Due to automation? (+2 hits over the Stronghold) The Stronghold went up to 12 HP too. Why? Well, the ship *is* bloody big. Seems silly for it not to have 12. Thus, the Citadel has 14. This should most definately, in hindsight, include an attendent points increase. Suggestions?

(Garrison) Where did the broadside lances come from? Also where is the single dorsal launch bay? I propped in the extra lances as there was, IMO, no loss from the broadsides, and optimised the equipment to an all round 45cm. The final launchbay, whilst possible was something I was still swithering about.

(Repair points) Shouldn't the Stronghold and Citadel offer repair points instead of having a pirate base?

Remember that Keep we were talking about? Well, I don't see why we can't add a clause that the Demiurg pirate base also includes Demiurg special rules, but with the attendant difficulty that it must lie in the Mercurial zone.

(Rerolls/Renown) There are just too many rerolls!!! It should be 0,1,2,3,4,5!

I simply vote adding a cap of five, it makes sense, but still prohibits the Demiurg having  at 1000pts.

(Typo) the points for the Stronghold and Citadel are wrong in the fleet list. Not only that but the Citadel and Garrison were still called the Garrison and Seige! Sorted in my second draft edition.

(Refits) S 1: is this instaed of the normal +1 to Ld? Yes.
S 4: There should be a down side, perhaps only +1 hit? Ammended.
S 6: This should not affect boarding! Fair enough.
D 5: Just suck the Bm's up, or dicount them. Also don't put 'as apposed to 4+' as this could be interpreted as only recieving 5+ saves against hits on the hull when BFI'd.

Anything else?
Author:  Raysokuk [ Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:11 am ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
Damn it! The internet just swallowed my last post! (Try again!)

(Brother hoods, free refit!) There should not be free anything! (this is a GW game! :;): Brother hoods should just allow refits to be taken and then the refits bought if desired (10% pts cost if random, specific refit costs if chosen!)

(Brother hoods, rerolls) I think it'd be pretty neat to have a choice between refiting your ship and buying a reroll, it add a nice 'natural' limitaion on both!

(Cutting beam max) There should be different values for the max: 8 for the Bastion, 10 for the Garrison, 12 for the Stronghold, 14 for the Citadel!

(Citadel and Stronghold hits) Teh stronghold stioll had 10 hits in the document (and still should!). The Citadel should only have 12 hits (to be 2 above the Stronghold). If anything should change it should be the Bastion and Garrison going down to 6 hits!

(Garison weapons) This ship needs a single launch bay to make it viable in the fluff as a minning ship! Having broadside lances makes this ship too powerful compared to the Bastion!

(Raider Repair points bonus) I think its pretty cool to have the raider bonus tied in with the factory ships! The Keep would be somthing really special, like a Ramelies!

(Rerolls and renown) So are you going to change the rerolls/renown as I've suggested?

I'll write more later, as i don't want to make this post too long and cluttered!

Cheers,

RayB
Author:  Nerroth [ Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:37 am ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
Hey, don't forget your good buddy Nerrith for helping out with the Epic and BFG ideas!

Oh, and try PrimoPDF for making that file a little more web-readable!


Gary
Author:  Xisor [ Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:41 pm ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
Who the pissin' hell is Nerrith? ?:p

Only kidding!

I used that pdf-maker, and WOW! It's fantastically useful. The article looks professional now! Also, I made a few modifications.

(Brother hoods, free refit!) There should not be free anything! (this is a GW game! ?Brother hoods should just allow refits to be taken and then the refits bought if desired (10% pts cost if random, specific refit costs if chosen!)
Bear in mind, for the most part, I'm coming from the perspective that the Bastion is woefully underpowered. Ie: should be costed about 230pts(or less). By including the Brotherhoods as simply part of the ship, we have: Each ship 'somehow' unique, or at least worth about 255pts(I like that cost for them, dunno why).

With it like this, the wide range of refits 'basic' to the fleet means tha it will have a lot of range for variety(over the originals anyway), but not to the extent of the Experimental Ship subplot(which I was tempted to use, I'll admit!).


(Brother hoods, rerolls) I think it'd be pretty neat to have a choice between refiting your ship and buying a reroll, it add a nice 'natural' limitaion on both! Neat? Hmm. I wouldn't say so, but I'll think it over for V3.2. The choice, as I see it, is inherent in the costs of the upgrade. If you want to spend more to get more upgrades, you still have less ships. :80:

(Cutting beam max) There should be different values for the max: 8 for the Bastion, 10 for the Garrison, 12 for the Stronghold, 14 for the Citadel! I'll look into this. I don't think there's any overwhelming need for it to be different though. Remind me for V3.2 :p

(Citadel and Stronghold hits) Teh stronghold stioll had 10 hits in the document (and still should!). The Citadel should only have 12 hits (to be 2 above the Stronghold). If anything should change it should be the Bastion and Garrison going down to 6 hits! Agreed. That was a moment of insanity on my part. I don't want to see the cruisers go down though.

(Garison weapons) This ship needs a single launch bay to make it viable in the fluff as a minning ship! Having broadside lances makes this ship too powerful compared to the Bastion! Again, see me for V3.2

(Raider Repair points bonus) I think its pretty cool to have the raider bonus tied in with the factory ships! The Keep would be somthing really special, like a Ramelies! Y'know the Shadow Forge from KOTOR, like that, but not quite as...y'know...mad(in all respects). Should be discussed for V3.2

(Rerolls and renown) So are you going to change the rerolls/renown as I've suggested? Done and done.

So, the new pdf is done for V3.1, see what you think!

(NB- I've just got to upload it to a file hoster and drop you all the link)

Xisor
Author:  Nerroth [ Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
Try these guys...


Gary
Author:  Xisor [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
About bloody time, if you'll excuse me  :/

http://www.savefile.com/files/3895178

Version 3.3 Incorporated a fair few things, including a bit better formatting. Still to work on the defenses, but there's a bit of expansion on the Inquisitor Article.

Whatcha think?

Xisor
Author:  blackhorizon [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:43 pm ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
Whoa! Cool work Xisor! Very nice.

You should however make better stat boxes (for bfg). If you want I can send you the ones I used for the Eldar rules.
Author:  Xisor [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:09 pm ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
My problem is I don't have Microsoft Word here at Uni on my laptop, but it'd be grand if you could send them, I can have the lot of them sorted for Saturday as I'm heading home(where I do have Word) for my Dad's birthday.

Thanks for liking it  :)  and cheers in advance for the templates.

Xisor
Author:  Xisor [ Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:34 pm ]
Post subject:  The Demiurg
The Demiurg v3.4

Enjoy. New things added(that I recall):

- Facilitation and Augmentation Widgets
- Black Horizon's Excellent Readable-o-matic Stat Boxes
- New piece fo writing: 'The Archive'
- Widely corrected and ammended stats
- Brotherhoods have now been made random(but you're allowed to choose which table)

A few other things intersperesed among it, I'm confident that it's now a very readable document(touch wood!).

Xisor
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