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Author:  Curis [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Marine Strike Cruiser models
I want to model a Dark Angels Strike Cruiser for my Epic Armageddon army, but deivate from the standard GW model.  The overall theme of my army is a M36 strike force, so they use a lot of the older pattern armours and vehicles.  Using the current model unconverted and off-the-shelf would stick out like a sire thumb.

Since I'm not too au fait with the current BFG model range anyone point to any of the old Space Fleet models, or alternatibe manufacturers' models that'd represent a Strike Cruiser well?  Before the BFG Strike Cruiser model came along, was there any artwork showing the older Marine vessels?
Author:  blackhorizon [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:29 pm ]
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hmm, I can almost say no to all questions.

But the Strike Cruiser is build after the heresy and I imagine it already being available to the Space Marines in m36.

If you really like another model why not this one:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/gkscruiser.htm

my Novamarines vessel:
http://www.epic40k.co.uk/lib/comp/gothi ... omp20.html
Author:  The Red Sorcerer [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Marine Strike Cruiser models
The background states that the Chaos ships are older Imperial designs, and that during the early history of the Marine fleets they essentially used whichever designs were available, modifying them and improving them as they saw fit. This is certainly supported by the pre-heresy artwork, which pictures Marine fleet assets looking much like standard Imperial fleet designs with their armoured prows(see here, here and here for examples) or more rarely resembling Chaos designs (see here and here) and certainly nothing like the current Marine vessels. Of course, M36 is not M31, but certainly some of the older vessels are likely to have still been in use.

One idea could be to simply use a slightly de-chaosified Chaos Cruiser model, painted as a Dark Angels vessel. Another idea might be to convert a hybrid design such as the Vengeance class grand cruiser (which is part of a selection of designs available to both Chaos and Imperial fleets, representing much older Imperial designs) or simply use the Vengeance model itself (although it isn'n the best looking ship to be fair.)

But certainly combining Chaos prows (or sterns - this example this ship seems to have a Chaos style rear with Imperial style hull and prow) or other details with Imperial hulls, or vice-versa, could produce a more archaic looking ship design that would look good.
Author:  Curis [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:40 pm ]
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blackhorizon - that's perfect.  And half the price of the Games Workshop one.  It's sleek and clean so it'll fit alongside the older generation of less-detailed Epic models.  And half the price to boot.  Cheers!

Red Sorcerer - thanks for the history lesson.  Which Imperial hull do you think the current Strike Cruiser mose closely resembles?  If it's one of the ships that was also present in Space Fleet it'd be cool to retrofit one of those.

I was thinking that the prow from the Master of the Ravenwing's jetbike (I've got one spare) would look great on the end of a Chaos hull to make a Dark Angels Battlebarge.
Author:  Warmaster Nice [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:55 pm ]
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I've bodged something together from imperial and chaos kits to represent a heresy era heavy strike cruiser
Author:  CyberShadow [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:16 pm ]
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I have a couple of half-finished Marine Strike Cruisers lying around somewhere. I used the Shogun Dreadnought from Ground Zeros Full Thrust set:

http://www.gtns.co.uk/store1....52.7319

I think that it looks the part, and the size is good (if I remember correctly!).
Author:  Curis [ Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:42 am ]
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Thanks guys.  That's a nice conversion Warmaster Nice, I like the muted tones.  Suggestive of the Deathguard's unornamented approach to their vessels.  But is it not more a Battle Barge size?  And during the Heresy weren't Marines transported as just another part of the Imperial Fleet rather than their own vessels?



They look quite cool, is the stand the same size as the old GW hex flying base?

Here's a fluff questions.  I was digging through my old White Dwarfs last night, and came across the Galaxy Troop Ship.



These were used to transport Imperial Guard regiments, but no mentions of Marines.  Think they'd be suitable, or were they not enough of a battleship in their own right to act like a Strike Cruiser?
Author:  blackhorizon [ Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:50 am ]
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Stand same, BFG base is round though.

The Galaxy troop ship is from the bfg predecessor Spacefleet.

During the heresy Marines flew in IN (IA back then) ships (the Chaos vessels nowadays for most part).

For m36 I'd still use normal strike cruisers or the forgeworld ones.

Keep in mind as a DA player you should have a lot of Hunter escorts fluffwise.
Author:  Curis [ Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:07 am ]
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IN - Imperial Navy?
IA - ???

Has the Space Fleet background not compatible with the newer stuff?  Or can you get away just by saying the ships were built from the same template by different shipyards?

I'm doing an Epic army, not a BFG fleet so I'll never have any escorts.  Why do Dark Angels use lots of Hunters?  I've not got Armada or any of the newer BFG stuff  - is there any background on the Dark Angels fleet I can bone up on?
Author:  blackhorizon [ Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:55 am ]
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IA = Imperial Army

At the GW site you can d/l Armada.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws....4300022

pdf called: Imperial fleets

In the entry of the Hunter it is said that Dark Angels are their most prominent users.

But since you are not looking for a BFG fleet that is a non-issue. :)
Author:  CyberShadow [ Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:20 am ]
Post subject:  Marine Strike Cruiser models
Quote: (Curis @ 18 Jun. 2009, 08:42 )

Thanks guys.  That's a nice conversion Warmaster Nice, I like the muted tones.  Suggestive of the Deathguard's unornamented approach to their vessels.  But is it not more a Battle Barge size?  And during the Heresy weren't Marines transported as just another part of the Imperial Fleet rather than their own vessels?



They look quite cool, is the stand the same size as the old GW hex flying base?

Sorry. I looked at the wrong name. I meant the Musashi:



This model is the right size. The one that I originally said is larger. The base foot is slightly smaller than a GW base, but as noted it is hexagonal instead of round. The GZG ships do fit on GW bases..... in some cases better than the GW ships do!
Author:  The Red Sorcerer [ Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:37 am ]
Post subject:  Marine Strike Cruiser models
Red Sorcerer - thanks for the history lesson.  Which Imperial hull do you think the current Strike Cruiser mose closely resembles?  If it's one of the ships that was also present in Space Fleet it'd be cool to retrofit one of those.
The Strike Cruiser (and Battlebarge for that matter) largely resemble standard Imperial Navy Cruisers/battleships, aside from their distinctive prows. As far as resemblence to any of the old Space Fleet vessels, the design of the current Imperial Navy vessels is largely lifted from the Space Fleet era Emperor Battleship - see here (although Space Fleet models were noticeably smaller than their Battlefleet Gothic equivalents).
I was digging through my old White Dwarfs last night, and came across the Galaxy Troop Ship.
From what I remember, the Galaxy was a lightly armed and armoured transport, so wouldn't be suitable to represent the larger Strike Cruiser which is a warship in its own right.
And during the Heresy weren't Marines transported as just another part of the Imperial Fleet rather than their own vessels?
Although occasionally they were simply transported by the Imperial Navy, they owned their own fleet assets as well, with command of their own vessels regularly being given to members of the Legion - see, for example, Balham of the Iron Hands (captain of the Strike Cruiser Ferrum in Fulgrim)and Mhotep of the Thousand Sons (Captain of the cruiser Waning Moon in Battle for the Abyss). I would imagine that while the Imperial Navy provided the bulk of the Imperium's fleet assets, the Legions were in general transported on their own vessels (and if high-ranking enough, the senior Marine Commander would assume overall command of the navy in any given sector).
Has the Space Fleet background not compatible with the newer stuff?
There was very little Space Fleet background, and as far as I am aware none whatsoever that referred to the Space Marine fleets. So I think it can be safely ignored.
Author:  Warmaster Nice [ Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:06 pm ]
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Quote: (Curis @ 18 Jun. 2009, 09:42 )

Thanks guys.  That's a nice conversion Warmaster Nice, I like the muted tones.  Suggestive of the Deathguard's unornamented approach to their vessels.  But is it not more a Battle Barge size?  And during the Heresy weren't Marines transported as just another part of the Imperial Fleet rather than their own vessels?

Thanks :)

The ship is the same size as a plastic cruiser. I haven't actually seen a strike cruiser or battle barge in the flesh so I can't comment on the relative size. I figure it is probably a bit larger than a strike cruiser hence why I called it a heavy SC.

True that Marines were supposed to be transported by regular IN ships during the heresy but I figured there'd surely be some interim ships linkng the Marine and IN designs :)
Author:  blackhorizon [ Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:31 am ]
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Oh, regarding the FW strike cruiser: it is small. More a scout / rapid response vessel then a real strike cruiser.
Author:  fracas [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:41 am ]
Post subject:  Marine Strike Cruiser models
i would just take a standard imperial (or chaos) plastic cruiser and shorten it by one weapon platform to make your strike cruiser
and lengthen it (easier with imperial) to make it your barge.
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