Hello, I have recently started playing BFG, and I am quite pleased I love the game, it was originally BFG which got me interested in warhammer 40k. But at the time BFG models were not as present. Luckly recently my local GW shop started making them availiable and away I go.

To the point of the topic, I have decided to go for an imperial fleet, inquisition based/themed. The basic background to the fleet is simply an inquisitor that likes rare vessels, and formulates his fleet around that, having rescued an admiral in his duties, the admiral has decided to help direct the inquisitor's fleet.

Since this is by far a more story themed fleet than strategic, I wished to know whether or not if there is any actauly strength in the fleet?

1000pts Fleet

- Overlord class Battlecruiser = 235
 - Fleet Admiral with +1 re-roll = 75
 - total = 310

- Inquisitorial Blackship = 270

Squadron of;
- Deamonslayer class Cruiser = 170
- Lunar class Cruiser = 180
 total = 350

- Squadron of 2 Sword Frigates = 70

Grand Total = 1000


1500pts Fleet

- Oberon class Battleship = 335

- Overlord class Battlecruiser = 235
 - Admiral = 100
 - total = 335

- Inquisitorial Blackship = 270

Squadron of;
- Deamonslayer class Cruiser = 170
- Lunar class Cruiser = 180
 total = 350

- Squadron of 3 Sword Frigates = 105

- Squadron of 3 Sword Frigates = 105

Grand Total = 1500

For story reasons the Admiral will always be on the Overlord, similary the Lunar was added as it is a very relaible imperial crusier and the inquisitor must have some tactics and hence added the very common cruiser, again similarly for the swords. I am however considering changing the Lunar to a Gothic to get those extra Lances, as the Deamonslayer is pulling 10 weapon batteries.

So thoughts?

hahem,
Two unofficial ships.
Check with your opponents before.

I'm no fan of the Overlord.

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I am no fan of the overlord either, and as BH points our, you have 2 unoofficial ships in your fleet (blackship and demonslayer): It can be cool from a fluff point of view, but it can be also be highly illegal If I was starting out I woulsd start with more normal ships. For 2 reasons:

- The more special rules you introduce the harder it is to learn to play the game well. I am acting as a referee and teacher in my gaming club right now and I am becoming painfully aware of this; the guys that started with 2 small chaos vs imps games know the game spot on. The ones that wanted to start using space marine crusaders AND other cool bitz and rules found in the spanish webpage (full of old illegal stuff, BTW) are stuggling even with simple rules

- SInce they are not legal your opponent(s) might have issues with them. If it is a single item it temds to be OK, but if you start to use a lot of unofficial stuff people trend to raise an eyebrow.

SO I would redesign the fleet along more regular lines, using only ships in the rulebook or one of the other official fleets (bastion fleets or armageddon fleets). If you want to use those ships for fluff, I would use them as concepts but use official ships for them. For example the demonslayer can be proxied with a Tyrant with a nova cannon; that has the advantage of being both 100% legal and still perform much the same role in the fleet

The issue with the overlord is that its broadside is not very strong, so when you reach out to 60cm you find yourself with a tinny number of dice, rendering it much less useful than on paper. The mars and armageddon are much better ships fdor their points, even if they slightly more expensive there.

2 swords are not very good. I would go for 4 if you want to have escorts. That packs up a much more significant punch.

Hiope that helped and welcome to the hobby!!!

Cheers,

Xavi

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Am I right in understanding your local GW sells BFG models? Is that common to all GW stores over there?

Over here (Oz), GW stores sell 40K, FB and LotR miniatures only. Would be awesome if they started stocking SG miniatures as well.

Thanks for the advise, Ok I have revised the lists;

1000pts Fleet

- Overlord class Battlecruiser = 235
 - Admiral = 100
 - +1 turrent = 10
 - total = 345

Squadron of;
- Dominatior class Crusier = 190 (sub for deamonslayer)
- Lunar class Cruiser = 180
- Gothic class Curiser = 180
- total = 550

- Squadron of 3 Sword Frigates = 105

Grand Total = 1000


1500pts Fleet

- Oberon class Battleship = 335


Squadron of;
- Overlord class Battlecruiser = 235
  - Admiral + 1 re-roll = 125
  - +1 turrrnt
  - total = 370
- Apocalypse Class Battlecruiser = 245
       - squad total = 615
 

Squadron of;
- Dominatior class Crusier = 190 (sub for deamonslayer)
- Gothic class Curiser = 180
- Lunar class Cruiser = 180
  - total = 550


Grand Total = 1500

I changed it up a bit, and as much as the overlord may not be the best choice, not only has it already be constructed but it fits well into my theme so that won't go.

The theme is still an Inquisitorial Fleet however a more legal one . I was considering adding a Cadian Veteran Captian to represent the Inquisitor however the idea of having to roll twice on the Ld table and pick the lowest probably wasnt really worth it as I would probably get an LD of 7 ==> to an 8. But still maybe. Oh and what I ment by making them availiable, I ment making it much much more easy to get by order (in store pick up within the week) and more stock to choose from. As I too live in Aus.

New Ideas??

It maybe legal but is it fun?..

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How do you mean Warhead?

The 1500 list is fine.
You mean the Armageddon Battlecruiser by the way, the Apocalypse is a battleship.
I wouldn't squadron all those ships.

The 1000 lists is vulnerable to ordnance fleets. Tau will eat you.

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First off I just want to be clear. I am not intentionally criticising or pooh-pooing anyone's views or styles of play. I just hope to stimulate some thoughts along the lines that rules are ok but sometimes the best games are the ones with relaxed rules. Obviously this view has no place in tournaments which are all about rules, and for good reason. I do however apologise if required for my flippant ways... Hi, I'm Warhead. It's what I do and I can't help it.

...Well, sometimes you just have a feel for an army or in this case a fleet that you personally think of as cool. Now it may become a tipsy-turvey spinning top of unbalancedness but it just might also be a load 'o' fun too.

I get the point and totally agree that you need to make sure your opponent is aware of what's going on and what he has to face but so long as their cool with it then no harm. Most times you end up concluding "hey that was fun but lets never do that again, eh?" So all you lose is an afternoon/day/weekend etc and it may help even mature both your gaming styles in the process in ways that a more constrictive list might not.

Now, strike me down if I should be wrong... No, it does happen, normally a lot more often than I'd prefer but wasn't Corrino's question more about whither his list is a viable/strong fleet with hitting power than about whither it was legal and right in the confines of the rules? As I said though, I may be wrong.

I do not pretend to know what I am talking about with BFG. That honnor rests with other TacCom members here. However, perhaps trying just one Black Ship OR a Daemonslayer just to see how powerful they are before throwing in more specials may be a better start?

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Ehm, I still don't get it. edit while  typing. I do, I think.

Trying unofficial ships or new ships is okay when agreed. But his latest list consists only of official ships.

You see, I rather point out unofficial ships since it has been seen before that new players or restarting players post lists with ships that are unofficial.
A main problem are the ships from BFG mags, Fanatic , Fanatic Online, etc. Thus GW/SG published stuff. Some think that this makes a vessel official. Clearly this isn't the case. So that's why I like to point things out.

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Aaaah, I get it. My bad.

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On the playability side, alas I cannot comment, since I haven’t played BFG in over a year (sigh).  On the legality side I can.

I try to play a lot of epic at my local store and my regular partner and myself often use unofficial rules in our games (heck we once played his tanith army list vs my tech guard list).

The joy and curse of playing a specialist game is that few people do play them.  This means that if you annoy someone who does play your player pool is massively dimisnished.  However it does also mean if you do play in a store then you can get away with a whole lot of house/unofficial rules since no one else knows what you are doing.

I remember a few weeks back when I was playing an IG vs ork epic game in a GW store and one of the staffers came up and admitted that he had no idea if we were proxing or even playing with official rules.  You can get away with anything.

However, make sure your opponents know whjat you are planning to possible use.  So once you find one or two let it be known that you sometimes use inquisitorial fleets, if none says they don’t like playing against them, using them every now and again.  If one or two of them object, don’t use them against those opponents, and let them see you use them against others to see your list isn’t broken.

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Well luckly the dominator and the Deamonslayer are practically the same ship, so I will still make my Deamonslayer and in games were issues arise, I will simply use it as a Dominator easy enough.

As for the Inquisitorial Blackship, I will still construct it, but if issues arise I will simply not use it, easily justified fluff wise, with the idea that the Inquisitor would only use his own personal ship in the most dire and demanding situations, hence really his ship should not always be in the board.

And it is only an extra box of cruisers to build the Lunar and Armageddon, so that doesnt bother me too much. Plus the bonus of using an inquisitorial themed fleet is that it makes good fluff to have many different ships from the differnt lists, and you could make most of them look and be painted different. And as I was thinking I will take a Cadian Veteran Captian to represent the Inquisitor in the legal list, and just bump the admiral down to a fleet admiral.

Plus the idea of house rules was always in mind, above all I have always been for fun over simply winning, but it is always a good idea to have a list that is official for tournaments and etc.

Its funny now that I have been buying up BFG at my GW shop a few others are too, just the other day someone went and put down an entire imperial/space marine fleet to order, even some of the newer GW employees who dont even know of BFG or very little have decided to buy up, hopefully there will be store run games soon.

Hi Corrino

I hope you and the other new players enjoy BFG. It is a good fun "beer and pretzels" game- not the most complicated or tactically demanding but fun nonetheless. I just loved the background and the ships looked cool too!!

Cheers

James

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Be sure to post up some pics of your fleet when constructed. I like the Inquisitor theme. Good luck.

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WHOA!

BFG is tactically seen very challenging!

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