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| Author: | Recidivist [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | BFI against shield hits |
When playing against a few of my friends, we sometimes use a house rule allowing shield hits to be braced against. The rationale behind this (as my mate says) is the star trek "all power to shields!" type of situation where a ship diverts its available power to shields, effectively acting like BFI in BFG. What do you guys think about this? Does anyone else out there use this 'rule'? R |
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| Author: | blackhorizon [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | BFI against shield hits |
We don't use your house rule. Though I think with modification it could work. Although it would get even harder destroying ships. |
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| Author: | Recidivist [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | BFI against shield hits |
Ah, just wondered. You're right, it does make killing shielded ships even harder, which is a bit of a disadvantage for races with no shields (eg: Eldar & Necrons). I'm personally not really a fan of this house rule, but my mate seems to think it makes sense. What modifications would you make to make it work better? |
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| Author: | hotwire [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | BFI against shield hits |
i would say that if at full shield charge like star trek - and the save is FAILED then you lose all shields for a turn and take d6 hits...to represent shields breaking bad time...but im really bad a rule design... |
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| Author: | CyberShadow [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | BFI against shield hits |
I assume that this confers the same disadvantage to shooting that BFI does? If not, I think that it should. With this, it will help not to unbalance the order too much. If it is still a little too powerful, you could always only allow it against shots fired against a single aspect, selected when the initial order is performed. Personally, I dont think that this is strictly required. I dont even like the way that the shield reflects the thickness of the armour - for example that Imperial shields are stronger on the front than the sides, and the forward shields of Chaos, just because of the frontal armour. |
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| Author: | Recidivist [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | BFI against shield hits |
Yes, bracing against shield hits confers the same penalties as BFI normally would. I agree with you on the last point, it is indeed a bit odd that shield strength reflects the hull armour values. It would perhaps make more sense if shields had a 'standard' armour value of their own (eg: 5+), and once shields were knocked down, further hits went against the armour value of the hull (dependent on aspect). This would probably make shooting a bit slower and more complex (you'd have to roll shield hits a few at a time if they had different 'armour' values to the hull), but perhaps it'd be a little more realistic? What do you guys reckon? R |
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| Author: | blackhorizon [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | BFI against shield hits |
This only applies to batteries as lances hit on a 4+. Always. (!!??!) Example idea: IN Lunar class cruiser Armour: 6+ prow 5+ rest number of shields: 2 Shield value 5+. To bring down a shield you need a 5+. To the rear or sides all would stay the same if you attack the ship. But to the prow: Lets say you got 5 dice to roll: Result 1 = 1,1,2,3,5 = one five, meaning 1 prow shield is down. Result 2 = 1,1,5,5,5 = three fives, meaning 2 prow shield is down. Third five gives no effect. Result 3 = 1,1,5,5,6 = two fives, meaning 2 prow shield is down. Six scores damage point as shields are down Vica Versa: Armour 5+ Shields 1 Shield value 6+ Result 1 = 1,1,2,3,5 = one five, nothing happens Result 2 = 1,1,5,5,6 = one six means shield is down, two fives score two points of damage. No extra rolls needed. Only: keep eye on balance. Plus it would mean going through all ships and addressing point costs. Warp Rift? In a complete BFG rework the idea has merit imo |
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| Author: | Recidivist [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | BFI against shield hits |
Yes, good point, lances always hit on a 4+ so this would only apply to WB's. Cool, so you think this has potential? I'd be happy to put it down on paper if you think there'd be space in WR for it. As you say though, it might require a review of ship pts costs. Also, deciding on what the 'standard' shield armour value would be will require some thought. 5+ seems reasonable for warships. Would non-combat vessels have weaker shields? (eg: could a transport with armour 5+ have for instance shields with only 4+ armour?) Finally, would it be feasable for there be any options (such as in ship upgrades) for a ship to have improved shields? (eg: a cruiser with armour 5+ with shields which were 6+?) Food for thought... R |
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| Author: | blackhorizon [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | BFI against shield hits |
Good points. non-combat vessels could indeed have weaker shields. I wouldn't want to jump on upgrade options right away. sidenote: I think a D10 would have been great for BFG. It would give heck of a lot more variant options in races armour. |
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