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Forum: NetEA Imperial Guard Topic: Guard Tank Variants |
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:59 pm
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| Agreed on the price, especially as BL tends to fit his designs to 40k first and foremost. That is the same reason for the disparity in the Quake's stats; they are based off the stats of the 40k tanks. True. The Banesword Quake Cannon IS a weaker version of the Titan Quake Cannon. Note that the Shad... |
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Forum: NetEA Imperial Guard Topic: Guard Tank Variants |
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:12 pm
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| Yes, that's pretty much my thinking too. And that was pretty much my intent. Just wanting to see how some others have approached it and how that compares to my own thoughts. As far as pricing a unit,...that I'll leave to others for the time being. I'm just looking for the other stats, getting them a... |
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Forum: NetEA Imperial Guard Topic: Guard Tank Variants |
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:30 am
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| That's why I think it's good to get a couple of heads to together and hash these things out, especially with some of the new weapons that have shown up with the Guard (Melta Cannon on the Devil Dog, Nova Cannon on the Eradicator, Punisher on the,...well, Punisher). Oh! That reminds me! There's anoth... |
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Forum: NetEA Imperial Guard Topic: Guard Tank Variants |
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 3:16 am
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| There is a similar problem going with the Banehammer and Banesword. 60cm 1BP, Disrupt vs. 75cm 2BP, MW? Disrupt is good, but not good enough to justify the extra BP, MW, and a 56% increase of area of effect. At least not at the same price. Well, in Black Legion's defense he never did give a price. ... |
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Forum: NetEA Imperial Guard Topic: Guard Tank Variants |
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:37 pm
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| True,...and the fact a loaded Stormlord would have a 3 FF shots at 4+, and then potentially another 4 at 5+ (or some 4+ if there are Support Squads embarked). But is there any balance in that survival of the infantry will largely depend on the Stormhammer, which is likely going to draw alot of atten... |
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Forum: NetEA Imperial Guard Topic: Guard Tank Variants |
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:19 pm
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| The Leman Russ Eradicator really is just an underpowered demolisher; it's the same in 40k. Obviously it'd be a lot cheaper if it was ever included in any list. Yeah,...just wondering if there's something I'm missing to give it it's own place in Epic,...or if it's really even worth the effort. MW 4+... |
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Forum: NetEA Imperial Guard Topic: Guard Tank Variants |
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:22 pm
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| 1. Well it could be cheaper than the Demolisher :D True. Just wondering if there's just SOME WAY to make it unique and viable in it's own right. 2. Well the Multi-melta shouldn't be effective against Infantry from the beginning. Only single shot in Wh40k same as a Lascannon which does nothing again... |
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Forum: NetEA Imperial Guard Topic: Guard Tank Variants |
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:23 pm
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| Thanks BlackLegion, this is some good stuff to read. I do have a few questions: 1) Leman Russ Eradicator: I've really torn on how to model this on myself. My question, is the better way to make this more competative with the Demolisher? My earlier thought had been as a 1 BP weapon that ignored cover... |
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Forum: NetEA Imperial Guard Topic: Guard Tank Variants |
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:02 pm
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Has anyone taken a stab yet at the following:
Leman Russ variants: Punisher, Annihilator (simple this), and Eradicator
Hellhound variants: Devil Dog and Bane Wolf
Super Heavies: Banehammer, Doomhammer, Stormlord, and Banesword.
Win the Mind, Win the Day
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Forum: NetEA Adeptus Astartes Topic: Land Raiders |
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:25 pm
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| Well it was a thought at least. I understand the counters, and I do understand EA is NOT meant to represent all things. Was working under the thought process of: a) how to you provide for a unit that is specially set to deposit dismounts into prepared defense. I am not convinced up'ing the CC value ... |
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Forum: NetEA Adeptus Astartes Topic: Land Raiders |
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:16 am
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| I don't think such a special rule is needed at all. Epic isn't about the unit specific detailed situation rules. If it really is such an issue, I'd just remove it and drop CC to 6+ and move on. It was just tacked there as it seemed a cool idea and nice flavour thing. So how does one cover the speci... |
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Forum: NetEA Adeptus Astartes Topic: Land Raiders |
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:17 am
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| Yep and that's where First Strike could work, as I mentioned. Not everything has to be an actual weapon, just have an effect in game. It's all about abstraction and simplification. Which is what I was getting at. Honestly, all credit to the creator of Scions of Iron (sorry, can't give a proper quot... |
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Forum: NetEA Adeptus Astartes Topic: Land Raiders |
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:55 am
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| For starters the LRCs carry 2 Terminator units. The launchers would be so short ranged that they may as well be CC weapons - more point blank attacks. Remember CC isn't entirely base to base attacks like 40K. Epic is more abstract so the launchers as CC works fine I think and is enough. First strik... |
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Forum: NetEA Adeptus Astartes Topic: Land Raiders |
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:03 am
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| I see absolutely no need for such a special rule. Okay. And please give the reasoning. My own point is that the Frag Assault Charges do not fit as Close Combat Weapons and are more designed as a way for the AFV to allow it's dismounts free reign as they assualt. Otherwise, what point to keep units ... |
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Forum: NetEA Adeptus Astartes Topic: Land Raiders |
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 2:14 am
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| Points would probably need to go up though. Are we happy about this? I'm not personally. Well, it's a specialst vehicle, so maybe the points should go up. I'd propose that along the with the traint, the Close Combat goes back to that of a stock Land Raider. It is a specialist assault vehicle, not a... |
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