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Ordo Malleus - Grey Knights 2.0(2018) Developmental

 Post subject: Ordo Malleus - Grey Knights 2.0(2018) Developmental
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:56 am 
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Hey everyone,

Here's the roll out of the Grey Knights 2.0 - 2018 Developmental List. Here's a quick list of changes from the previous version:

- Arvus Lighters removed as transport option for Inquisitorial Warband;
- Stormraven Gunships upgunned to be inline with the proposed experimental statline on the Blood Angel list;
- Grey Knight Librarian upgraded to 50pts and gained Inspiring;
- Brotherhood Champion renamed Paladin Escort.

I also included new units to the list in an attempt to allow for more diverse builds:

- Inquisitorial Storm Troopers;
- IST Valkyrie upgrade;
- Grey Knight Purifiers.

The Storm Troopers and Valkyries were intentionally stripped of the "Scout" abilities. The Warband already carries that skill and I wanted the formations to fulfill separate rolls within the list.

All Grey Knight Infantry have also been slightly upgraded on account of their Aegis Armor. As such, all GK infantry have been granted an Inv save.


Going Forward
This is the list I'd like to work with for current play testing. If there's a component you don't agree with or have concerns about, please try running it in a few games to help the rest of us understand where the problem lies. I don't need to see formal batreps, but a narrative of the game helps put the results in perspective. I do appreciate feedback from the community and encourage people to come forward. I think we've had fairly productive dialogue so far and I'd like to keep that going.

If small changes to stat lines or minor point adjustments are necessary I'll roll out subsequent versions, but they won't be immediate. I'd like to allow different folks to try the list in each iteration if they're interested before reacting too impulsively to changes. I checked the document, but may have missed spelling/editing/consistency errors. If you spot one, please let me know and I'll make that adjustment.


Play Testing Goals
With new units and statlines included to the list, I think it'll be important to test these first, including the Librarian, Aegis Armor, Storm Troopers, Valkyries, and Purifiers. The Stormtalon stats are also experimental and could do with new testing. For anyone feeling particularly ambitious, I'd like to advocate for the Assassin gaining Sniper. That final decision will lie with Norto since the units crosses Inquisition lists, but I'd like to at least have examples to help the discussion.


State of the List
I think this list has been well developed. I'm hoping with testing the new units will add variety and flavor to the list. All in all, I'd like to say we're taking a big step closer to play testing the final variant of the list!


Thanks everyone for your help and I hope you enjoy the list and the new additions!


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Very nice gunslinger!!! ill do my best to get some games in on vassal.

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Note - I woke up this morning to new discussion on the Blood Angels thread about the Storm Raven. Based on that discussion, I made a small change to the SR's Missile attacks. PDF in the OP contains the changes since there wasn't any point in releasing a new version after the first was out for 6 hours.

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Cheers gunslinger. I think the additions to the list all made for an interesting new set of options without dilluting the overall theme. It goes a long way towards making the list less of a mono build. Well done!

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Thanks guys, I hope people enjoy playing the list!

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Got a game in against Coach a week and a half ago. Grey Knights versus Death Korps.

Death Korps of Krieg
Regimental HQ + 2 Gorgons
Infantry Company + 2 Gorgons
Tank Platoon (Leman Russ)
Tank Platoon (thunderer + 5 demolishers)
Heavy Support Battery (earthshakers + emplacements)
Heavy Support Battery (earthshakers + emplacements)
Death Rider Company
Light Support Battery (quad + 20 cm of trench)
Light Support Battery (quad + 20 cm of trench)
Thunderbolts

Grey Knights
Strike Squad + SC + Hunter + Rhinos
Inquisitorial Warband
Inquisitorial Warband
Terminators
Strike Cruiser
Purgation Squad
Interceptor + 2 Dread Knights
Interceptor + 2 Dread Knights
Thunderhawk
Stormtalons
Stormtalons

This was one of Coach's first games with the Krieg. We talked after how he could have been more aggressive with the Gorgons instead of getting tied up with picking at my formations.

My initial barrage was one blast marker short of breaking the death riders. I used the interceptors to teleport in from the cruiser to set up an assault with a heavy battery, but draw supporting fire from the riders. Two 1s were rolled, but the strike cruiser reroll remkved them. The knights won, and the riders broke. Coach used the quads to lay fire on my Warband and other interceptors. The 4+/4+ hitting was real nasty on sustain. Coach used the Gorgons to break the drop podding purgators. I worked towards my goal of breaking the small artillery formations to limit his end game flexibility.

Turn two got a bit more difficult with me failing 6 out of 10 activations (including the reroll) and whiffing on all three rallies. Coach used one of the gorgons to start marching to my blitz. I finished breaking the remainder of the artillery formations, but Coach rallied them all and stole the strategy for turn 3.

Because the Inquisitorial Warbands was zocing the pushing Gorgons, coach delayed activating them. I used a combined engagement with the Warband and the Strike Squad to base to base the Gorgons, locking the infantry inside. The attackers were enough to kill the Gorgons, wiping out the formation. From there I managed to break the few remaining formations Coach had, limiting his movement and ability to grab objectives.

The final score was 3-0, Grey Knights with Blitz, Take & Hold, and They Shall Not Pass. Coach admitted his inexperience with the list lead to him underperforming with the list. He was also concerned about leaving the artillery units alone, which lead to the Gorgons getting tied up engaging smaller GK units. The real swing was the destruction of the Gorgons on turn 3 loaded with troops when it allowed me to take control of the direction of the remainder of the game.

We did play with the inv saves. There were a couple made throughout the game, but nothing that swung the game, which I suppose is to be expected by a 6+ save. Coach described playing against the list feeling similar to marines, but still with its own feel from being all in on the early engagements. That's positive feedback since its inline with the manifesto of building a list designed to strike hard and early.

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