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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:29 am 
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Hey all, I just recently got access to some Epic 40k miniatures and proxies so my gaming group is finally gearing up to get into Epic. We have been 40k/other miniature systems gamers for awhile and are very excited for this 6mm adventure.

We are looking at building some starter lists to try out, as well as have intro armies to get more players interested in the future. Could we get some help with some good beginner lists if 1000-1500

The four we were thinking of was: an Astartes, Cultist+Alpha Legion, Necrons, and ???


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 Post subject: Re: Minigeddon/Lower Point Lists for 4 New Players
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:20 am 
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Rules Question: Can I take upgrades more than once for a formation?

I am looking at the Alpha Legion list to build my Cult List and it says Hydra as an Upgrade for Cultist Coven. Under the Hydra Upgrade it says add 1 Hydra for +50 pts. Can I do this more than once for that formation?

Also, if a formation says 12 Cultist Units and 1 Icon Character, does that 1 Character go on one of 12 Cultist Stands? Or is it a Character stand?

Also, 3 Chaos Hounds. Would that be 3 units of 5 each since they are infantry?


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 Post subject: Re: Minigeddon/Lower Point Lists for 4 New Players
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:38 am 
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normally if you can take multiple upgrades it will be worded "add 1-3 upgrades for x points each" so in this case it's not applicable and you can only take a single hydra

characters are upgrades to stands, so the cultist formation is 12 stands, one of which has a character upgrade

3 chaos hounds would be 3 stands of between 3-7 models

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:05 am 
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Great to hear you’re getting into epic. You can find various minigeddon lists here https://sites.google.com/site/epicarmag ... mes-201503

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:26 am 
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If you haven't played and don't have access to someone who has I'd recommend starting with the training scenarios. You can run through 2-3 in a few hours and it lets you figure out the rules pretty easily.

Unless the list says you can't (like Codex or Steel Legion) you can. I'm guessing no on the Alpha Legion Hydra.

Read the Character special rule, your question is answered right in the first paragraph of it. http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/tourna ... characters

Same for infantry stands. http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/tourna ... unit-types

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 Post subject: Re: Minigeddon/Lower Point Lists for 4 New Players
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:08 pm 
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themummra wrote:
We are looking at building some starter lists to try out, as well as have intro armies to get more players interested in the future. Could we get some help with some good beginner lists if 1000-1500

The four we were thinking of was: an Astartes, Cultist+Alpha Legion, Necrons, and ???


I'd highly recommend including Steel Legion in there. They're a great beginner army that has limited special rules to remember, limited upgrades necessary to make formations effective, and have a straight forward and more forgiving play style. That doesn't mean the army has a low potential though, and can still ruin someone's day when it's played well. Plus, that would give you two Imperium and two xenos/chaos.

However the most important I suppose to to chose armies that people in your group will get excited about!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:14 pm 
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Thanks for the replies so far! Epic is going to be a great new addition to my hobby.

Put together 2 lists, how do they look to someone who has played?

1000 POINTS
Alpha XX Legion (v1.73)
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CULTIST COVEN [300]
11 Cultists, 1 Daemon Prince w. Wings, Daemonic Icon

CULTIST COVEN [200]
11 Cultists, 1 Cultist w. Daemonic Icon

CULT RIDERS [175]
6 Rough Riders, 1 Daemonic Icon

CULT HYDRAS [175]
3 Hydras, 3 Chaos Hounds

LESSER DAEMON POOL [150]
10 Lesser Daemon


1000 POINTS
Steel Legion (NetEA Army Compendium v2014)
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INFANTRY COMPANY [300]
Commander, 12 Infantry, 2 Ogryns

ARTILLERY COMPANY [600]
9 Manticore

SENTINEL SQUADRON [100]
4 Sentinels


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 Post subject: Re: Minigeddon/Lower Point Lists for 4 New Players
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:11 am 
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Two More Lists: The goal of all 4 would be balance against each other and ease of play > competitiveness

(need to find a good monolith and obelisk model)
1000 POINTS
Necrons (NetEA Tournament Pack 2013)
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INFANTRY PHALANX [225]
Necron Lord, 6 Warriors

INFANTRY PHALANX [225]
Necron Lord, 6 Warriors

EQUES MANIPLE [350]
6 Heavy Destroyers

MONOLITH MANIPLE [200]
2 Obelisk, Monolith



1000 POINTS
Tau Vior'la (1.2 Revisted)
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FIRE WARRIOR CADRE [300]
8 Fire Warrior units, 3 Piranha

FIRE WARRIOR CADRE [275]
8 Fire Warrior units, Broadside Battle Suit

PATHFINDER GROUP [175]
2 Pathfinder units, 1 Devilfish, 2 Tetras

KV128 STORMSURGE FORMATION [250]
2 KV128 Stormsurge Battlesuit units


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 Post subject: Re: Minigeddon/Lower Point Lists for 4 New Players
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:59 am 
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Minigeddon has a max formation points cost of 400 (there are also modified formations to allow smaller versions of normally larger formations) – see here https://sites.google.com/site/epicarmag ... minigeddon

I’d hold off on Necrons as a beginner till you all know what you’re doing more. To be played well they require and advanced grasp of the rules and tactics to use well or defend against as their tactics involve a lot of teleporting anywhere on board and using portals to redeploy.

Orks are the other classic beginner army if you have access to some. Space Marines a bit less so oddly, as they have more special rules and finesse to use optimally.


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You rarely see arty companies ina 3k game, but that list would likely dominate the 4. There's nothing to stop it from firing 8 or 10 BP a turn aside from maybe something coming out ofnthe Monolith. Even then, it's 50/50 that it will get to go first and overwatch.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:45 pm 
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I forgot about the minigeddon specific lists! I'll retool the lists a bit.

Unfortunately I don't have access to Orks yet.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:10 am 
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Updated Tau List (one of the players wanted t play 40k tau but never got the chance, so he's playing it in 6mm).

Has some infantry, support, and a fast unit for capture. Should I switch one heavy support for a Recon (tetra/piranha unit)?


Tau Third Phase Expansion (6.8 Approved)
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FIRE WARRIOR CADRE [275]
8 Fire Warriors, Ethereal

STEALTH GROUP [225]
6 XV15 Stealth Units

BROADSIDE GROUP [300]
6 XV88 Broadsides

ARMOUR SUPPORT GROUP [200]
4 Hammerhead Gunships (Ion- or Fusionhead)


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:43 am 
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Updated Steel Legion: May need to have a little more heavy weaponry to take on the Tau? Given the lists will change and grow as we actually play, I'm aiming to get some decent, simple lists painted to get it started.

MECHANISED INFANTRY COMPANY [400]
Commander, 12 Infantry, 7 Chimera,


TANK COMPANY [400]
6 Leman Russ

SENTINEL SQUADRON [100]
4 Sentinels

SENTINEL SQUADRON [100]
4 Sentinels


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:00 am 
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Blood Angels:

DEATH COMPANY [375]
4 Death Company units, plus Transport, Death Company Dreadnought

ASSAULT [300]
6 Assault units, Captain

PREDATORS [325]
4 x Predator Annihilators, Vindicators


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:02 am 
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Updated Cultist (Alpha Legion List Used)

CULTIST COVEN [330]
11 Alpha Legion Cultists, 1 Alpha Legion Daemon Prince w. Wings, Daemonic Icon, 6 Light Transports

CULTIST COVEN [230]
11 Alpha Legion Cultists, 1 Alpha Legion Cultist w. Daemonic Icon, 6 Light Transports

CULT HYDRAS [175]
3 Hydras, 3 Chaos Hounds

CULT HYDRAS [175]
3 Hydras, 3 Chaos Hounds

LESSER DAEMON POOL [90]
6 Lesser Daemon


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