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 Post subject: Alpha Legion v1.61 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 am 
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Welcome to the Alpha Legion list, which I should emphasize is quite experimental at this point.

The main themes and structure of the list comes from the fact that the XX:th Legion never retreated into the Eye of Terror at the end of the Horus Heresy, but basically stayed on in Imperial Space. For this reason I imagine that they have a great deal of continuity from the Horus Heresy, as well as using plenty of Chaos Cultists and low-tech imperial equipment. I imagine that this means that they don't really cooperate with the Dark Mechanicum that much.

Other ideas are that they have 5 in Strategy Rating, to reflect their high strategic acumen, as well as certain aspects of TSKNF and Space Marine Transport flexibility. There's also a Sabotage rule, as well as some rules around retaining initiative. I've included the Teleport Homer and Coordinated Teleport rules that I'm experimenting with in the Dark Angels list, and tied it to the Sorcerer character.

Like in Lost and the Damned, the unit that gives access to most of the list is the Chaos Cultist formation.

What they don't have is access to titans, advanced imperial equipment, daemon engines, barrage weapons (except for the Strike Cruiser) and very restricted access to daemons. On the other hand they have quite a few cheap chaos cultist formations, high strategy rating, fluffy special rules and a lot of cool Heresy era gear.

Update 25/4 v1.1
Got the feeling that the list had a bit too many cheap choices and too much inconsistent stuff.
-> Got rid of the Thunderbolt formation to reduce the number of formations and to make the list depend on the Hydra even more
-> Cultist formation can have Hydra, and only consists of Cultists now
-> Renamed the Icon Bearer to Daemonic Icon, and gave it inspiring instead of Invulnerable Save and Fearless
-> Made the Daemonic Icon standard for Mutants and Rough Riders
-> Only Thudd Guns in the Light Artillery formation
-> Removed the "max 4 upgrades" restriction
-> Formations can now have 1 or 2 Dreads
-> Spartan A T upgrade is now 2 or 3 for 75pts each.

Update 27/4 v1.35
-> Added an Aspiring Champion unit to the Chaos Cultist formation. Raised the cost to 225pts
-> Amended the "Sabotage" rule so that it no longer affects a random enemy formation, but is targeted instead. However, no formation may be subject to it more than once, even if the attempt fails.
-> Replaced the Mastodons with a Super Heavy Tank Company (2 Glaives, 2 Fellblades or 2 Falchions), as the Mastodons were a bit too unwieldy and didn't really fit the Alpha Legion's style.
-> Spartans are now 2 max, with twin Heavy Flamer instead of twin Hvy Bolter
-> Mutants -25pts
-> Tweaked the Alpha Legion Destroyers unit

Update 29/4 v1.4
-> Upgrade to 3 Land Raider Proteus instead of 1. Cost the same as 3 normal LR
-> Lernaean Terminators got AP3+ instead of AP4+ and cost -25

Update 4/5 v1.5
Update time, and it's a big one:
-> New special rule "I, Alpharius": The supreme commander is no longer a specific character, but all Alpha Legion Lords are considered to be the supreme commander. Rule adapted from the French Alpha Legion.
-> No more Alpha Legion Sorcerers, but the Lord got Teleport Homer
-> The Daemon Prince is now an upgrade for the Cultist units, replacing the Aspiring Champion. Can no longer be Supreme Commander
-> Headhunters -25pts, got a Heavy Bolter, but Sniper only on FF
-> Alpha Legion Destroyers -25pts, lost extra CC attack, and got 5+ CC, but have 2 Rad Missile Launchers
-> Lernaean Terminators lost their shooting attacks
-> Alpha Legion Dreadnought has 30cm range on the Volkite Culvertin
-> Macharius -25pts

-> Alpha Legion support is now restricted to one choice per core formation, and 33% of army
-> Strike cruiser -50pts
-> SHT Company +50pts
-> Fire Raptors -25pts
-> New formation: Lightning Interceptors. 2 for 150pts. Felt a bit odd that the Alpha Legion didn't have any interceptors, and the Lightnings fit the fluff.

-> The Havocs upgrade is now 3 Havocs instead of 3 Marines
-> Dreadnoughts are now 3 for 100pts
-> Supreme Commander ("I, Alpharius") upgrade 75pts
-> Chaos Hounds -10pts

Update 22/5 v1.52
Done some tinkering with the list:
-> Clarified that Headhunters can only attempt to Sabotage enemy units that have been deployed on the board
-> The "I, Alpharius" special rule renamed "I'm Alpharius!"
-> Lernaean Termies got 2+ FF, IC instead of 4+ EA +1
-> Fire Raptor got 4+ Armour instead of 5++, Missiles are AT5+ instead of AT4+

Update 25/5 v1.6
After some consultations with a fellow Alpha Legion aficinado I've restructured the list a bit.

-> New unit: Alpha Legion Librarian. Same stats as a Space Marine Librarian. But doesn't count for "I'm Alpharius!" special rule, and no teleport homer.
-> The Cultist unit lost its Aspiring Champion, now just 12 cultists with a daemonic icon. But -25pts as well.
-> Daemon Prince now replaces the cultist with the daemonic icon.
-> The Alpha Legion Marine unit is now 8 instead of 6. +75pts
-> Havocs are now called Heavy Support (it's the HH legion era name). Replaces 4 Marines for 50pts
-> The Land Raider Proteus no longer has its own special rule. Instead it has got Leader and Commander and counts as a Lord for the "I'm Alpharius!" special rule.
-> Land Raider upgrade bought 4 at a time for 200pts. 1 can be replaced with a Proteus for 25pts

-> Headhunters are +25pts.
-> Destroyers are +50pts
-> Terminators +25pts. Can no longer have the Hydra or Vindicator upgrades
-> Spartan upgrade +25pts
-> Predators now 4 in a unit, cost 250pts

-> Mutant formation reduced by 1 Spawn. Can no longer take transport or chaos hounds
-> Macharius +50pts
-> Light Artillery formation now consists of 4 thudd guns and 4 light transports for 150pts
-> Chaos Hounds upgrade now costs 25pts

-> Super Heavy Tank Company now a proper company. 3 of a single type for 850 points.
-> Glaive down to 15cm move, but got 3+ FF
-> Fire Raptors has lost quite a lot of firepower, but got reduced by 50 points as well.

Update 26/5 v1.61
-> Added the Aspiring Champion back in as an optional upgrade for the cultists. Doesn't really make sense to have daemon princes in the list otherwise.
-> Gave the Fire Raptors a missile attack again, raised points by +25

An Army Forge builder for Alpha Legion v1.61 can be found @
https://magnusdurr.github.io/snapfire/w ... gion_NETEA


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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.1 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:41 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.1 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:54 pm 
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Looks like a fun list :)

Comments:

- Shouldn't the Chaos Cultists be able to select an Aspiring Champion as their leader, like in the LatD list? It seems like a thing the Alpha Legion would do.

- Sabotage seems a bit random. Wouldn't it be better to let the player decide the target of the sabotage (with no formation targeted more than once)?


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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.1 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:19 pm 
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SpeakerToMachines wrote:
- Shouldn't the Chaos Cultists be able to select an Aspiring Champion as their leader, like in the LatD list? It seems like a thing the Alpha Legion would do.


In version 1.0 they had a unit of Alpha Marines. I removed that because there was inconsistency with the "Coils of the Hydra" rules that I didn't like. Having an Aspiring Champion unit might be a suitable replacement, I guess that's what people expect.

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- Sabotage seems a bit random. Wouldn't it be better to let the player decide the target of the sabotage (with no formation targeted more than once)?


I nicked this rule from the French Alpha Legion list, and there they can pick out the unit they want to sabotage. I found that a bit too powerful, but maybe it would work.

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.15 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:02 am 
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Post updated. Thanks SpeakerToMachines for feedback!

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.2 (Experimental)
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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.4 (Experimental)
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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.5 (Experimental)
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I like where this is headed :)

A couple of comments:

-> New special rule "I, Alpharius": The supreme commander is no longer a specific character, but all Alpha Legion Lords are considered to be the supreme commander. Rule adapted from the French Alpha Legion.

Distinctive, easy and fluffy. Shouldn't it be "I am Alpharius", though?

-> Macharius -25pts

I like the Macharius, but 200 seems a bit on the low end...


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Distinctive, easy and fluffy. Shouldn't it be "I am Alpharius", though?


No, that's intentional. It's a reference to this excellent series:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074006/

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-> Macharius -25pts

I like the Macharius, but 200 seems a bit on the low end...


You might be right, but since they only have a 15cm move, a very small unit size and 2 DC each they have some serious limitations. All the other choices in the same section can garrison for example. And since you only get to buy one per Cultist unit, buying Macharius means no thudd guns (probably the most strategic choice) no rough riders (w daemons!) or mutants (the cheapest and probably most resilient choice).

Would be interesting to see how it works out in practice of course. Hopefully I'll be able to test the army in TTS in the near future.

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.5 (Experimental)
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Hello Everyone!
My name is Alpharius

For my first jump into Epic 40k I would like to put together a painted :o Alpha Legion army based on this list hopefully highlighting there nature and with a varied set of miniatures. Plus i have a wicked color I loved on my 30k Alpha Marines.

I am surprised by how much of the army will be cultists, roughly 25%? Can you give me a suggestion on an army to work toward or what you are currently running or have run? It would give me a basis to see what you have tired or are trying. At the moment i am working on a group of marines and transport vehicles so have a lot of flexibility for the rest of the list.

Thank You for Your Help!!
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Mrdiealot wrote:
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Distinctive, easy and fluffy. Shouldn't it be "I am Alpharius", though?


No, that's intentional. It's a reference to this excellent series:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074006/



Not to take away from the series, but wouldn't it work better as a reference to Spartacus? Or Negan I guess :)
i.e. "I'm Spartacus!"

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BlueBoy wrote:
For my first jump into Epic 40k I would like to put together a painted :o Alpha Legion army based on this list hopefully highlighting there nature and with a varied set of miniatures. Plus i have a wicked color I loved on my 30k Alpha Marines.


Cool! I hope to start playing the list soon(tm) myself, hopefully it works as intended.

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I am surprised by how much of the army will be cultists, roughly 25%?


Yeah, in the fluff the mainstay of the Alpha Legion is made up of Cultists. The Alpha Legion uses them as cannon fodder, and while it would certainly have been possible to make the Alpha Legion Marines the main unit, this way the cultists are brought to the fore, which makes the list a bit of a cross-over between CSM / SM / 30K and Lost and the Damned.

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Can you give me a suggestion on an army to work toward or what you are currently running or have run? It would give me a basis to see what you have tired or are trying. At the moment i am working on a group of marines and transport vehicles so have a lot of flexibility for the rest of the list.


I have yet to actually get this list on the table, so I'm not totally sure what works. The list is still experimental after all, I started writing it just a few weeks ago.

But I can definitely say that you probably need at least 2 units of cultists, possibly even 3 depending on what you want in the other two sections. Having one or two units of Alpha Legion marines is probably a good idea as well, they're really flexible and gives access to the Support Section. After that, it really depends on how aggressive you want to be in terms of activations, if you want to go in a space ship, etc etc. A big choice is whether you want to have a formation of Super Heavies, and which specific type of these you want. They're a pretty good BTS (Break Their Spirit victory condition), and they have serious firepower. Air Assaults are really nasty, so having one unit of Terminators that can go in a Thunderhawk is very useful.

At they end of the day it's your call what you think is fun to play. Assuming that you mostly want to play with the Alpha Legion Marines, and not have too many cultists, this list might be something to be inspired by:

https://magnusdurr.github.io/snapfire/w ... 5~500~11x4

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Not to take away from the series, but wouldn't it work better as a reference to Spartacus? Or Negan I guess :) i.e. "I'm Spartacus!"


A Spartacus reference would be even better, I agree. Just have think about a good quote...

edit: Aha, wasn't familiar with that reference. "I'm Alpharius!" would work really well.

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I am not sure that your suggested list is legal under the terms of unlocking support formations. Can 3 support formations be unlocked with only the 2 marine formations? Same with the Cultists and the formations they are unlocking.

What would you use for a fire raptor model?

When i was looking at the list and what it had to offer my worry was it going against the other 2 lists I was considering and will probably also eventually collect. That would be Minervan Imperial Guard and Orks with a Great Gargant. Does your suggested list have the ability to face off against Warlord sized formations even in small quantities? Or is it a combination of hard hitting marines and quantity of squishy infantry at the expense of a lot of those Big AT weapons?

:sos

Without experience playing games at this scale and the lack of good youtube games my knowledge is very theoretical. Heavily objective based game so high mobility is paramount but also with a combination of AT in quantity for vehicle popping and Heavy AT for large targets but not at the expense of AP for the large infantry formations. The terminators are going to be a must I think and your slant toward air assets is also a fun twist.

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