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Alpha Legion v1.73 (Developmental)

 Post subject: Alpha Legion v1.73 (Developmental)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 am 
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Welcome to the Alpha Legion list! The one-stop-shop for chaotic Heresy aficiandos.

The main themes and structure of the list comes from the fact that the XX:th Legion never retreated into the Eye of Terror at the end of the Horus Heresy, but basically stayed on in Imperial Space. For this reason I imagine that they have a great deal of continuity from the Horus Heresy, as well as using plenty of Chaos Cultists and low-tech imperial equipment. I imagine that this means that they don't really cooperate with the Dark Mechanicum that much. The main AA gun is the Imperial Hydra, because I don't see how the Alpha Legion could resist using it.

Other ideas are that they have 5 in Strategy Rating, to reflect their high strategic acumen, as well as certain aspects of TSKNF and Space Marine Transport flexibility. There's also a Sabotage rule, and the "I'm Alpharius!" rule which allows all the Lords to be considered the supreme commander. If a more chaotic theme is desired, it's also possible to instead take a Daemon Prince supreme commander (one or the other, not both).

Somewhat like in Lost and the Damned, the unit that gives access to the list is the Cultist Coven formation.

What they don't have is access to titans, advanced imperial equipment, daemon engines, barrage weapons (except for the Strike Cruiser) and very restricted access to daemons. On the other hand they have quite a few cheap chaos cultist formations, high strategy rating, fluffy special rules and a lot of cool Heresy era gear.

Battle Reports with v1.72

Vs Black Legion
http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/ ... 84&t=33528

Update 18/6 v1.7
Did some thinking around the list, and ended up doing some changes, with a big one to the overall list structure.

-> Alpha Legion Marines are still core, but is now restricted to 1 per Cultist Coven (new name for a formation of chaos cultists)
-> Both Alpha Legion core formations give access to Elite and Cultist formations.

Felt these changes to be needed as the Cultist Coven had become a bit too dominant in the list structure, with the Alpha Legion Marines formation being a bit weird. The new structure also feels a bit more intuitive, and makes the list somewhat more flexible.

-> Hydras are now cultist formations only
-> New formation: Cult Hydras: 3 Hydras for 150pts (like in Steel Legion)
-> All cultist formations can now take Chaos Hounds.
-> Macharius now 3 for 325 (like in Deathcorps)

Clarified that the Alpha Legion daemonic pact does not provide a free summoning point.

Post NDC Update 21/6 v1.71
Now that the final results of the NDC vote are in, I've updated the list to reflect them.
-> Alpha Legion Predators lost the extra shot on the cannon; -25pts
-> Replaced the Daemonic Beasts with the Minor Daemons from Red Corsairs. Only costs 1 summoning point tho, giving the player something to do with odd numbers rolled.

Update 30/7 v1.72
Updated the list with some rule clarifications on how summoning points for lesser daemons work and how to award points for the "I'm Alpharius!" rule.
Also a slight nerf to the Destroyers, giving the AP5+ instead of AP4+

Update 14/8 v1.73
Update based on the playtest against Black Legion:
Fire Raptors +25pts
Macharius -25pts

Alpha Legion is playable in Tabletop Simulator! https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 1413684480

An Army Forge builder for Alpha Legion v1.73 can be found @
https://magnusdurr.github.io/snapfire/w ... gion_NETEA


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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.1 (Experimental)
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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.1 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:54 pm 
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Looks like a fun list :)

Comments:

- Shouldn't the Chaos Cultists be able to select an Aspiring Champion as their leader, like in the LatD list? It seems like a thing the Alpha Legion would do.

- Sabotage seems a bit random. Wouldn't it be better to let the player decide the target of the sabotage (with no formation targeted more than once)?


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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.1 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:19 pm 
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SpeakerToMachines wrote:
- Shouldn't the Chaos Cultists be able to select an Aspiring Champion as their leader, like in the LatD list? It seems like a thing the Alpha Legion would do.


In version 1.0 they had a unit of Alpha Marines. I removed that because there was inconsistency with the "Coils of the Hydra" rules that I didn't like. Having an Aspiring Champion unit might be a suitable replacement, I guess that's what people expect.

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- Sabotage seems a bit random. Wouldn't it be better to let the player decide the target of the sabotage (with no formation targeted more than once)?


I nicked this rule from the French Alpha Legion list, and there they can pick out the unit they want to sabotage. I found that a bit too powerful, but maybe it would work.

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.15 (Experimental)
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Post updated. Thanks SpeakerToMachines for feedback!

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.5 (Experimental)
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I like where this is headed :)

A couple of comments:

-> New special rule "I, Alpharius": The supreme commander is no longer a specific character, but all Alpha Legion Lords are considered to be the supreme commander. Rule adapted from the French Alpha Legion.

Distinctive, easy and fluffy. Shouldn't it be "I am Alpharius", though?

-> Macharius -25pts

I like the Macharius, but 200 seems a bit on the low end...


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Distinctive, easy and fluffy. Shouldn't it be "I am Alpharius", though?


No, that's intentional. It's a reference to this excellent series:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074006/

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-> Macharius -25pts

I like the Macharius, but 200 seems a bit on the low end...


You might be right, but since they only have a 15cm move, a very small unit size and 2 DC each they have some serious limitations. All the other choices in the same section can garrison for example. And since you only get to buy one per Cultist unit, buying Macharius means no thudd guns (probably the most strategic choice) no rough riders (w daemons!) or mutants (the cheapest and probably most resilient choice).

Would be interesting to see how it works out in practice of course. Hopefully I'll be able to test the army in TTS in the near future.

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Legion v1.5 (Experimental)
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Hello Everyone!
My name is Alpharius

For my first jump into Epic 40k I would like to put together a painted :o Alpha Legion army based on this list hopefully highlighting there nature and with a varied set of miniatures. Plus i have a wicked color I loved on my 30k Alpha Marines.

I am surprised by how much of the army will be cultists, roughly 25%? Can you give me a suggestion on an army to work toward or what you are currently running or have run? It would give me a basis to see what you have tired or are trying. At the moment i am working on a group of marines and transport vehicles so have a lot of flexibility for the rest of the list.

Thank You for Your Help!!
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Mrdiealot wrote:
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Distinctive, easy and fluffy. Shouldn't it be "I am Alpharius", though?


No, that's intentional. It's a reference to this excellent series:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074006/



Not to take away from the series, but wouldn't it work better as a reference to Spartacus? Or Negan I guess :)
i.e. "I'm Spartacus!"

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BlueBoy wrote:
For my first jump into Epic 40k I would like to put together a painted :o Alpha Legion army based on this list hopefully highlighting there nature and with a varied set of miniatures. Plus i have a wicked color I loved on my 30k Alpha Marines.


Cool! I hope to start playing the list soon(tm) myself, hopefully it works as intended.

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I am surprised by how much of the army will be cultists, roughly 25%?


Yeah, in the fluff the mainstay of the Alpha Legion is made up of Cultists. The Alpha Legion uses them as cannon fodder, and while it would certainly have been possible to make the Alpha Legion Marines the main unit, this way the cultists are brought to the fore, which makes the list a bit of a cross-over between CSM / SM / 30K and Lost and the Damned.

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Can you give me a suggestion on an army to work toward or what you are currently running or have run? It would give me a basis to see what you have tired or are trying. At the moment i am working on a group of marines and transport vehicles so have a lot of flexibility for the rest of the list.


I have yet to actually get this list on the table, so I'm not totally sure what works. The list is still experimental after all, I started writing it just a few weeks ago.

But I can definitely say that you probably need at least 2 units of cultists, possibly even 3 depending on what you want in the other two sections. Having one or two units of Alpha Legion marines is probably a good idea as well, they're really flexible and gives access to the Support Section. After that, it really depends on how aggressive you want to be in terms of activations, if you want to go in a space ship, etc etc. A big choice is whether you want to have a formation of Super Heavies, and which specific type of these you want. They're a pretty good BTS (Break Their Spirit victory condition), and they have serious firepower. Air Assaults are really nasty, so having one unit of Terminators that can go in a Thunderhawk is very useful.

At they end of the day it's your call what you think is fun to play. Assuming that you mostly want to play with the Alpha Legion Marines, and not have too many cultists, this list might be something to be inspired by:

https://magnusdurr.github.io/snapfire/w ... 5~500~11x4

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Not to take away from the series, but wouldn't it work better as a reference to Spartacus? Or Negan I guess :) i.e. "I'm Spartacus!"


A Spartacus reference would be even better, I agree. Just have think about a good quote...

edit: Aha, wasn't familiar with that reference. "I'm Alpharius!" would work really well.

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I am not sure that your suggested list is legal under the terms of unlocking support formations. Can 3 support formations be unlocked with only the 2 marine formations? Same with the Cultists and the formations they are unlocking.

What would you use for a fire raptor model?

When i was looking at the list and what it had to offer my worry was it going against the other 2 lists I was considering and will probably also eventually collect. That would be Minervan Imperial Guard and Orks with a Great Gargant. Does your suggested list have the ability to face off against Warlord sized formations even in small quantities? Or is it a combination of hard hitting marines and quantity of squishy infantry at the expense of a lot of those Big AT weapons?

:sos

Without experience playing games at this scale and the lack of good youtube games my knowledge is very theoretical. Heavily objective based game so high mobility is paramount but also with a combination of AT in quantity for vehicle popping and Heavy AT for large targets but not at the expense of AP for the large infantry formations. The terminators are going to be a must I think and your slant toward air assets is also a fun twist.

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