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Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)

 Post subject: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:01 pm 
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Here we go Gents, Sisters of Battle!
Thanks to Norto for the AC title for SoB!


I've played with the NetEA list quite often and have written this up as a variant that takes the list to more of a 40k 8th edition feel rather then a withhunters 3rd edition.


I'm also adding in the changelog and quick thought process on some of the decisions an would love to have some tasteful discourse with you all on thoughts , chages etc. (though also point out the spelling mistakes and stats etc)


The list is mainly built around a full army of Sisters, with small Inq support and Knightly crusaders out on campaign.

Changelog #1: Hereticus Inquisitor change to Inquistor (We work with all Ordos)
Deathcult Assassin change to 0-2 upgrade choice, given First Strike
Pennitent Engine speed increase to 20cm (With the addition of movement values returning
to 40k, Pennitent engines are faster than INF)
Intentionally left out Immolator Sanctis model. Twin Heavy bolters only stated at 30cm
AP4+, Immolation flamers better all around
Repressors and Immolators changed permaently to be just represented by their Extra
armor variant. Repressors now have a place as more protected transports then Rhinos
Inquisitorial Chimera and Inquisitorial Valkyrie changed to Chimera and Valkyrie (No
different then standard counterparts)
REMOVED Crusdaer/Redemptionists choice (Cheap rable inf, much like cultists)
REMOVED All upgrades for Redeptionists (Civilian Vehicles)
REMOVED Inquistorial Support Staff/ Veteran Warriors (too much customization for what
should be straight forward at epic scale and helps remove bloat)
REMOVED Aquilla Lander and Arvus Lighter (All fluff points to these being civilian/small
navy craft - not needed with Valkeries in list and helps remove bloat)
Living Saint Added - Current fluff supports Celestine as more a less a Daemon of the
Emperor at this point. Stated off the Daemon Prince this is a 0-1 choice upgrade for the
army with some changes.
Knight Archeron and Castigator added - Some fast moving WE support with staying power
that still stays true to the ideas of SoB (Bolter, Melta and Flamer). 300 points for unit of
three? Knight Shields, no upgrades to leader etc
REMOVED Emperor's Chapel (No real theme for DC3 Superheavy Tank.)
Updated Cathedral of Purification. Changed range on Promethium Cannon, changed
Inferno Cannon to match Immolation flamer, removed Heavy Bolter


Changelog #2
- Add Invulnerable save to to Living Sait
- Bravery rule added to Knight Formations
- GET SOME LINES IN TEH STATS SO IT'S EASIER TO READ
- Reword Retinue to "Assassin" - "Replace 0-2 Storm Troopers with Death Cult Assassins"
- Re-add missing scout rule for dominions
- Hunter upgrade cut back to just Mission and Exorcist formations
- Pennitents back to 15cm move
- Changes to Transport. Immolator upgrade now just for Domminons and Repentia formations, Repressors for Mission and Retribution formations
- Celestians upgrade re-inserted (Lost in updates)
- Fix Lightning errors to bring in line with EpicUK/NetEA
- Inquisitorial Warband renamed to Inquisitorial Strike Force
- Change assassin power weapon name to power stilleto
- Mobile churches re-introduced, main cannon changed to Purgatory Cannon, range to 45cm
- Warlord removed, Sanctum Reaver added

LIST v1.1
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-dAx5 ... VT4PXoKOy1

STATS v1.1
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JCQPF ... xnoESOR9pg


Changelog #3
After comparing prices to other power armor lists (Such as Black Legion) we have the following updates:

- Mission formation 275 ==> 250 plus Palantine
- Retribution formation 250 ==> 225
- Choir formation 250 ==> 200
- Coven formation 200 ==> 175
- Penitence formation 175 ==> 150pts
- Added missing Lunar Class Cruisar
- Removal of Knight Upgrade (Keep the unit at a max of 3)
- Re-added Reaver to Initiative 1+

LIST v1.2
https://drive.google.com/open?id=11zA64 ... oBN1xKLs0v

STATS v1.2
https://drive.google.com/open?id=19X-vq ... DLYTaEL8cA


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 Post subject: Re: ADEPTA SOROITAS - NetEA/EpicAu Version 1.1 Developmental
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:10 pm 
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I am a little confused. I thought the current version was 1.5 by Consul Avenging Angel. Now we have 1.1 by Mard. Has 1.5 by CAA been scraped for 1.1 for Mard. As i playtest wondering which version to use? I like 1.5 for the cheap redemptionist unit as part of the conclave (plus i have 10 bases painted up). Not to found of war engines like Knights and Reavers, though like the Chapel and Cathedral.

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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:50 am 
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chivalrynsorcery wrote:
I am a little confused. I thought the current version was 1.5 by Consul Avenging Angel. Now we have 1.1 by Mard. Has 1.5 by CAA been scraped for 1.1 for Mard. As i playtest wondering which version to use? I like 1.5 for the cheap redemptionist unit as part of the conclave (plus i have 10 bases painted up). Not to found of war engines like Knights and Reavers, though like the Chapel and Cathedral.

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Hi chiv

Yes this list will now be the one we move forward with for Sisters of Battle

The current design philosophy of the list is for it to represent a modern 8th edition 40k Sisters army on campaign.
(And when you design lists on here people HAAAATE bloat)

Hopefully after this list is completed I hope to have a Crusade style army which will focus on the rabble of the imperium (Redemptionists) backed up by limited Sisters but more focusing on the Church forces such as pain pennitent engines, crusaders, priests, arco flagellants (Which may not be long in the current list either).


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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:34 am 
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Thanks for the reply, I think that it might need to be added to the first post as well to avoid confusion.

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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:47 am 
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Thanks for the clarification, I have the models all ready and just started playing them. As Tiny Tim said add it to the first post to avoid confusion.

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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:49 pm 
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The Cathedral of Purification is missing "Transport (12)" in the notes section.

Since Inquisitorial Henchmen have been done away with I would suggest changing the Inquisitor character back into a unit with the same stats from the previous army list. The unit would represent his closest advisors/henchmen and would make his formation slightly more resilient. You could also give the unit a 15cm, 5+ Multi Melta MW shooting attack to represent the ubiquitous Inquisitorial Gun Servitor. It would also compliment the 15cm range of the Stormtroopers' Plasma guns. A Gun Servitor with the Heavy Plasma gun from the previous army list could used for a ranged attack as well.

I really like your idea of creating a Crusade list which includes Inquisitors, other Imperial agents(?), Confessors, Missionaries, Priests, an Arch-Cardinal, Redmeptionists and (hopefully) inducted Imperial Guard. Could even have different religious orders with different stats? Maybe holy Icons and Saint's remains for some form of buff and/or formation upgrade.

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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
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I could be missing it but is the spacecraft missing?

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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:13 am 
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Norto wrote:
I could be missing it but is the spacecraft missing?



It is missing!
I'll fix that when I get home, still in the stats but i lost it from the other file


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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:07 am 
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Thanks for this, good to see the Sisters getting a new focus, I happen to like this iteration more but will also be watching the Church/Inquisitor version when it appears. Thanks Mard, keep up the good work


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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 5:26 am 
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Ive been thinking about the sisters a little lately, and trying to compare them to black legion as they are a pretty similar army with but with a few different rules.

Heres a few unit comparisons, just want to see what people think.

MISSION [325] - 8 Battle Sisters, Palatine
RETINUE [275] - 8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord

MISSION [325] - 8 Battle Sisters, 4 Rhino, Palatine
RETINUE [315] - 8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 4 Rhino

EXORCISM [250] - 5 Exorcist
ARMOURED COMPANY [250] - (Chaos Undivided), 5 Chaos Predator

CHOIR [300] - 6 Seraphim Sister Units, Palatine
RAPTOR CULT [245] - (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 6 Raptor

COVEN [200] - 4 Dominion Sister Units (must include transports)
CHOSEN [145] - 4 Chaos Space Marine Scouts, (Chaos Undivided), 2 Rhino

LIGHTNING SQUADRON [150] - 2 Lightning Strike Fighters
HELL BLADES [200] - 3 Hell Blade Fighters, (Chaos Undivided)

EMPERORS CHAPEL [200] - Cathedral of Purification
DECIMATORS [225] - (Chaos Undivided), Decimator
DEATH WHEEL SQUADRON [275] - (Chaos Undivided), Death Wheel

ORBITAL SUPPORT [150] - Lunar Class
DEVASTATION CLASS CRUISER [150]

I know comparing like this doesnt give the full picture of the armies, but i cant help to see Black Legion having the better formations with a higher strat rating.

Also I'm wondering if the some formations could swap the rhinos for arvus lighters to give them the option like drop pods so they can achieve something turn 1 while they rhino rush. Maybe the dominion or retributor formations?

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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:46 pm 
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Sisters of Battle should be more about the Ground Pound rhino rush with some units able to drop behind enemy lines (Such as Seraphim), I'm worries about trying to push them into a Turn 1 drop-a-thon army as the fluff doesn't really support it (Until a new release in 2019 hopefully)

I don't really want to push Arvus lighters back in either, it's a civilian/Imp Navy vehicle from FW that is just for small flights between Ships and for dignitaries to the ground.

Happy to add in any new flyers the Ladies might receive in the future though.

Do you feel like SoB deserve a higher strat rating for a ground pound army? They are currently higher than Guard, but equal to orks?, but i wish there was a level between 3 & 4

For the mean time how would dropping unit costs by 25pts for testing sound?

Mission 275 ==> 250
Retribution 250 ==> 225
Exorcism 250 (I still feel these are still costed farily)
Purgeane 250 (Pricing based off Hellhounds in Cadian List)
Choir Mission 250 ==> 200 (These will go to 250 wit ha character, 5 pts more than the Raptors)
Coven 200 ==> 175 (Ours have MW so I think this price could be ok)
Lightnings 150 (I still feel these are still costed farily)
Emperors Chapel 200 - (I still feel these are still costed farily and comparable to the Imperial Guard superheavies)
Penitence 175 ==> 150pts

Thoughts all?


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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 4:39 am 
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Strategy seems fine, decreasing the point costs of units you mention is worth trying out. I would leave Lightning and Chapel as they are. The rest are fair game for point reduction,

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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
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Strategy rating is fine as is.

Points drop looks okay to. Just be carefull so the units doesn't get to cheap since activation count is a crucial thing in this game.

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 Post subject: Re: Orders Militant - Adepta Sororitas 2018 (Experimental)
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 3:34 pm 
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Ive been having a ponder on the formations, I'm wondering instead of a points drop we could try keeping them as they are and just adding free Palatine to some formations. This would help with the activation count.

Maybe just missions for a start and work from there?????

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Yeah, thats a really good idea. Better than to make formations too cheap.

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