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Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:59 pm 
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Game three played with v4.71! Game four is on Wednesday, so me and Argol might be able to wrap up our 6 games as soon as next week.


Amazing! Nice work, have 2000 points painted working on the last 1k should be getting half the games in before the new year.


Splendid!

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:26 am 
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Game 4 played with HFD, and a batrep has been posted. Game 5 has been played as well, I'll try and finish the report for it this evening.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:03 am 
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5th game posted: http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/ ... 18#p631118

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:08 am 
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Two games on a turn 4 draw. They were good reads. Whats the win lose draw % so far for all 5 of your games?

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:14 am 
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3 draws, 1 win and 1 loss after 5 games.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:16 am 
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We haven't bothered to check what kind of draws we've got tho, as we're using the E-UK scoring method.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:21 am 
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Realized I had managed to get the wrong link to the first game. That's another loss for the 'Nids, so it's actually 2 draws, 2 losses and 1 win in 5 games.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:43 am 
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Played a game against Necrons this afternoon. Didn't have time to capture a battle repot unfortunately. Going to get a few more this week.

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Necrons (NetEA Tournament Pack 2013) 
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C`TAN [300] 
Deceiver
INFANTRY PHALANX [365] 
Necron Lord, 6 Warriors, Pariahs, 2 Immortals
INFANTRY PHALANX [325] 
Necron Lord, 6 Warriors, Immortals, Pariahs
INFANTRY PHALANX [285] 
Necron Lord, 6 Warriors, Pariahs
MONOLITH PHALANX [275] 
3 Monoliths
MONOLITH PHALANX [275] 
3 Monoliths
MONOLITH PHALANX [275] 
3 Monoliths
PYLON [200] 
PYLON [200] 
WARBARQUE [300] 
VENATOR MANIPLE [200] 
6 Flayed Ones

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Hive Fleet Dagon (4.71 TCMD forum) 
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MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [375] 
4 Tyranid Warriors, 2 Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), Dagon Overlord
MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [375] 
Hive Tyrant, 4 Tyranid Warriors, 3 Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), Mycetic Spore // May transport Termagaunts, Hormagaunts, Biovores, Carnifex, Raveners, Hive Tyrants, Dagon Overlord, Tyranid Warriors, Zoanthropes // Transported units may not have Wings
MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [375] 
Hive Tyrant, 4 Tyranid Warriors, 3 Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), Mycetic Spore // May transport Termagaunts, Hormagaunts, Biovores, Carnifex, Raveners, Hive Tyrants, Dagon Overlord, Tyranid Warriors, Zoanthropes // Transported units may not have Wings
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200] 
3 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), Gaunts (5 Termagaunts)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225] 
3 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), Biovores (4 Biovores)
ATTACK SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [275] 
Barbed Hierodule Prime, Hierodule (1 Barbed Hierodule)
ATTACK SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [275] 
Barbed Hierodule Prime, Hierodule (1 Barbed Hierodule)
BIO-TITAN [550] 
Hydraphant
BIO-VESSEL [150] 
Razorfiend (May carry 2 Mycetic Spores including cargo)
HARASSER SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200] 
Harridan, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

Not a good match up playing against necrons with a drop list but i really wanted to try it and i wanted to use a hydraphant. The necrons ended out coming out on top 2-0 end of turn 3, blitz and BTS. The pylons got a lucky shot on the hydraphant turn two, 3 wounds plus 2 criticals, one was a second 6... dead titan. This is a brutal critical. The attack swarms did really well and are well worth the points. The big issue was the Necron initiated the majority of the assaults so the gaunt rule only worked once. There were a lot of assault actions but the nids were on the losing the majority of the time. My opponent used the monoliths to screen the troops then initiated assaults using the infantry. The monoliths would make the saves and a lot of gaunts would die. Skimmers plus FF assault infantry make for a hard fight for the nids.

The hydraphants performace was very underwhelming its good in assaults but has crappy ranged weapons and is very vulnerable to TK weapons. The drop didn't do much though it was nice to have the large swarms on the objebtives without having to slog up the board. Not the best lost more a bunch of stuff i wanted to.try all slapped together.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:01 pm 
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Great that you've been able to get the army to the table, and that you've got more planned!

Some really bad luck there with the second 6 on the Hydraphant. It's big and nasty, but also quite fragile when faced with competent TK shooting. I know it's easier said than done, but I think it might actually be best to have another BTS when playing with it, as it is really vulnerable to e.g. Deathstrikes. I think this would also make it easier to use and more problematic for the opponent, as he doesn't really want to waste activations on it then, but kind of will have to if you put it in his face.

Nice that you liked the Attack Swarms, I've been concerned that they're too expensive compared to the Harridans, but while slower, both types have certain qualities that the Harridans lack.

About putting 'Nids in drop-pods, so far I've personally had greater success dropping smaller formations than big ones, and I would probably have replaced one of your Major Drop Swarms with the cheapest possible Minor Drop Swarm (3 Zoanthropes, 5 Termagaunts and Mycetic Spore). This is still dangerous, but very affordable.

Utilizing the Gaunts special rule is far from trivial, but it really helps to have activation superiority. Genestealers are one way to achieve this, they may be helpless against Skimmers but even then I think the distraction they provide, their lack of Synapse Creatures that can be knocked out and their Scout ability more than makes up for it.

I also like mixing Termagaunts and at least some Hormagaunts as the latter really helps increasing the Engage-range of the formation, and can by-pass Skimmer-screens thanks to their Infiltrate. They can also be really good to use to Engage with in FF, particularly if you have some support set up and/or can win on blastmarkers and outnumber (potentially 4, even with no kills).

As always turn 2 (and/or 3) is really important when playing 'Nids, as that is traditionally when you will overwhelm the opponent in Engages.

Would be interesting to see if you could get some Trygons on the table, right now we think they might be the inferior choice when compared to the Raveners, but then again they might not be, the Trygon Prime is really tough.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:36 pm 
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Have to disagree about the hydraphant not being the BTS to be more effective, your activation count would be less than 9 since two formations would be at least 1125 points. That doesnt seem like a plausable solution. The hydraphant and heirophant are not worth taking in their current incarnations. Their shooting is very subpar (bio plasma not bad but very limited due the range). I understand their power is supposed to come from their assault potential but when you break it down its rather underwhelming also. You opponent will stay out of CC range since its only 25 cm and their FF ability is not even as potent as a group of monoliths (hierophant less hydra on par). I have be trying to incorporate them into a list but they always come out as a detriment as they can't make their points back and very limited utility. Also the 5+ save on the heirophant makes me cringe. Its much worse than a plague tower at the same points.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
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Have to disagree about the hydraphant not being the BTS to be more effective, your activation count would be less than 9 since two formations would be at least 1125 points.


Except I've just constructed a list with this combo that has 11 activations, so it is definitely possible to pull off. No idea if it's good anyway, but this is a type of list I'd like to see someone run at some point.

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BIO-TITAN [550]
Hydraphant

NEXUS SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [575]
Dagon Dominatrix, Burrower (2 Trygons), Bio-Attack (2 Dagon Haruspex)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
3 Tyranid Warrior Shrikes (Wings), Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles), Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
3 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), Gaunts (5 Hormagaunts)

GENESTEALER SWARM [175]
6 Genestealers, Broodlord

GENESTEALER SWARM [175]
6 Genestealers, Broodlord

LICTOR SWARM [225]
5 Dagon Lictors

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), 3 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (5 Hormagaunts)

ATTACK SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [275]
Barbed Hierodule Prime, Hierodule (1 Barbed Hierodule)

ATTACK SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225]
Bio-Attack (2 Dagon Haruspex), Scythed Hierodule Prime

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
Hive Nest, Biovores (4 Biovores)

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:52 pm 
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Batrep number 6 posted! We just need 12 more from others now ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:18 pm 
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Getting a couple games in today. Will take notes.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:31 am 
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Ok got a bunch of games im with this list. Slowly working on the write ups.

Been playing formations heavy with Biovores with good success. The versatility of them in small and hive swarms are amazing.

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NEXUS SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [500] 
Dagon Dominatrix, 2 Gaunts (5 Termagaunts)
MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [325] 
Hive Tyrant, 2 Tyranid Warriors, 2 Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), Mycetic Spore // May transport Termagaunts, Hormagaunts, Biovores, Carnifex, Raveners, Hive Tyrants, Dagon Overlord, Tyranid Warriors, Zoanthropes // Transported units may not have Wings, 2 Zoanthrope
MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [325] 
Hive Tyrant, 2 Tyranid Warriors, 2 Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), Mycetic Spore // May transport Termagaunts, Hormagaunts, Biovores, Carnifex, Raveners, Hive Tyrants, Dagon Overlord, Tyranid Warriors, Zoanthropes // Transported units may not have Wings, 2 Zoanthrope
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250] 
Biovores (4 Biovores), 3 Zoanthrope, Biovores (4 Biovores)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225] 
2 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), Zoanthrope, Biovores (4 Biovores)
HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200] 
Hive Nest, Biovores (4 Biovores)
HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200] 
Hive Nest, Biovores (4 Biovores)
ATTACK SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200] 
Barbed Hierodule Prime, Gaunts (5 Termagaunts)
HARASSER SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200] 
Harridan, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)
LICTOR SWARM [225] 
5 Dagon Lictors
BIO-VESSEL [150] 
Razorfiend (May carry 2 Mycetic Spores including cargo)
HARASSER SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200] 
Harridan, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

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