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Space Wolf vc Ghazgkull

 Post subject: Space Wolf vc Ghazgkull
PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:33 am 
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This is a test game to try out the Space Wolfs Wolf Guard Terminators ability to use drop pods. See discussion at: http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=27676&start=105

The Setup was that I would try to show how deadly they are against a low SR unit that uses the “hoard” tactics. Mordoten took his standard Ork list and I used a tailored SW army that tried to max out on terminator drops.

Ghazgkhull Thraka's War Horde (Epic UK v100909)
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BLITZ BRIGADE (BIG) [300]
3 Flakwagon, 5 Gunwagon, Oddboy - Super Zzap

BLITZ BRIGADE (BIG) [300]
3 Flakwagon, 5 Gunwagon, Oddboy - Super Zzap

MEKBOY GUNMOB [175]
5 Big Gunz, Oddboy - Super Zzap

MEKBOY GUNMOB [175]
5 Big Gunz, Oddboy - Super Zzap

WARBAND (BIG) [350]
4 Nobz, 12 Boyz, 4 Grotz, Warlord

WARBAND [270]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Nobz

WARBAND [270]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Nobz

STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150]
6 Commandos

LANDA [200]

LANDA [200]

FIGHTA SQUADRON [200]
4 Fighta Bomba

FIGHTA SQUADRON [200]
4 Fighta Bomba

FIGHTA SQUADRON [200]
4 Fighta Bomba



Space Wolves (NetEA Army Compendium v20120208)
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GREAT COMPANY [425]
6 Grey Hunters, Hunter, Rhinos, Wolf Lord

GREAT COMPANY [350]
6 Grey Hunters, Battle Leader, 2 Blood Claws

WOLF GUARD TERMINATORS [375]
4 Wolf Guard Terminators, Wolf Priest

WOLF GUARD TERMINATORS [325]
4 Wolf Guard Terminators

LONG FANGS PACK [300]
4 Long Fangs

THUNDERHAWK [225]
Space Wolves Thunderhawk Gunship

LAND SPEEDERS [200]
5 Land Speeder

STRIKE CRUISER [200]
Space Wolves Strike Cruiser

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [175]
2 Thunderbolt Fighter-Bombers

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [175]
2 Thunderbolt Fighter-Bombers

BLOOD CLAWS PACK [250]
6 Blood Claws, 2 Blood Claws

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Drop was set to turn 1.

Big Guns Garrison on OW and a big Warband garrisoned away from the deployment zone. (Some Landspeeders garrison ahead of the small groundforce to be able to support the dropping force.

TURN 1
SM Wins initiative but give it to the Orks as the plan didn’t worked out that well so now I wanted to make him waste activations.

Fightas ground attack Landspeeders. Kills 2

Landspeeders Hold and removes BM (1 left)

Fightas go on CAP

Thunderbolts Stand down. This is going well for the emperors finest…

Fightas ground attack Great Co that guards the Blitz. Hunter misses but the Great Co only suffers a BM.

Landa retains and air assaults the Great Co at the blitz. Hunter does 1 DC. 1 Nobb and 2 Grunts is killed but 4 Gray hunters and 2 rhinos is lost in the battle. After rolloff a single lone broken Rhino is left of the BTS formation. Losing the Great Wolflord in the battle…Disaster again

Thunderbolts go on CAP fearing the second Landa

Blitz brigade double forward

Thunderhawk air assaults some big Guns that manage to intermingle with the big warband but is intercepted by some fightabommas who score a crit… 8 brave Bloodclaws is caught in the explosion, yeah right...

Big warband leaves the intermingled big guns and shoots the landspeeders. Hitting on 7+ but still manages to kill 2 (5 hits) Single Landspeeder flees toward a hill

Strike Crusier activates and the Bombardment misses everything. The drop pods steer toward a blitz brigade and the deathwinfd kills a battlewagon or something similar.

Two units of terminators, some long fangs and a great co jumps out. Two Big gun formations on OW fires at the terminators, killing 2 and breaking them

Great Co retain and assaults the nearby Blitzbrigade killing the whole unit but lose 3 in return.

Nearby Stormboyz doubles away from engagement reach

Terminators move and fire at the Big guns, 1 BM

Long Fangs shoot at the same guns killing them all

End of turn 1.
Everyone except stormboys rally. Not looking too good for the Wolfs

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TURN 2
Orks win initiative…
Fightas attack lone landspeeder, killing it

Lone Rhino manages a Hold action and flee into nearby woods

Blitzbrigade double and shoots at the long fangs. Killing one

Stormboys retain and wants to engage the fangs but is too afraid so they Hold and regroup instead.

Terminators engage the Blitzbrigade and kills them all with no loss

Fightas attack lone rhino (BTS) Nothing

Thunderbolts ground attack big guns and kills one

Big Warband double and shoots at the lone hiding rhino killing it…

Terminators marshal as there is nothing within range.

Fightas intercept thunderbolts and kill them

Long fangs marshal and move

Landa stands down

Great Co triple move

Big guns hold and remove BM

Warband double

End of turn 2. Big guns fail to rally. The SW leader has lost all hope of winning but the battle goes on…

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TURN 3
SW wins initiative
Long fangs goes on OW as nothing is in range and a landa gull of orks is about to activate…

Warband double, securing objectives

Great Co engage big guns kills all but loses 2 marines in the battle

Landa without orks sweeps past the long fangs, killing one

Terminators on OW

Fightas attack long fangs 1 BM

Terminators on OW

Fightas attack Long fangs killing another and breaking them

Fightas attack terminators, 1 BM

Warband double to objective

Landa attacks terminators. Thunderbolts on CAP moves in but only manages a BM. A not so bloody fight ends with only a loss each and some lone wolfs run away

Stormboys double trying to negate some of the SW objectives but OW fire kills 4 and the formation breaks.

END of game

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Orks win 3-1

Conclusions:
Well sometimes nothing works…
The start with terrible activation rolls and a very bad first assault (1 out of 7 saves…) just went on with the thunderhawk being shot down.

This game was to try and show how powerful dropping terminators is compared to teleporting ones. Normally I would not take more than one unit of terminators but it was a test so…

The problem with drops is that I feel obliged to drop close to the blitz because the units will be slow once dropped. I also think it is wise to put the two other objectives relatively close. That leads to the fact that the opponent can figure out where the drop is coming, sure the 15 cm navigation helps and in this case garrison also helps to spread out the army. Perhaps I should have made the drop in the corner as I first intended but then I would have had a hard time reaching the blitz at all.

For me the teleporting flexibility outweighs the BM you get from it. Still a single pod in late turns can be very good but I’m not sure terminators is the best unit. They need to get into base to base to be really good. A dropping long fang formation is probably a better drop.

Next time the terminators will be flying in the thunderhawk and be shot down instead of dropping.
I have tried drops against IG and Tau that had more units on the table from the beginning and it can be devastating but that is due to the Deathwing ability to hit everyone within 15 cm and to luck. Landing in front of a Leman Russ co and then losing the activation can hurt. Especially with CC orientated units.

Anyway perhaps not the funniest game I have played but the opponent was glad at least :)


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 Post subject: Re: Space Wolf vc Ghazgkull
PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:54 pm 
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Orks, orks, orks,orks, waaaagh!!!

Can't really see how dropping terminators would be so much better than teleporting ones. Sure, you don't risk getting BM:s like with teleport and the pieplates+deathwinds can put ones on the opponents forces. But on the other hand you can't choose when to use them as freely as with teleport and the opponent (me in this case) can kinda guess where you will drop...

In this game i just moved everything out of the way and went for my opponents objectives instead. Once on the ground i knew that his marines would have a hard time getting home and defend his objectives there. I would rather air assault or teleport my terminators. Drops are just to risky...

But most important: I managed to win against UvenLord!!! Muhahaha!!

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Thanks for the report <3

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Yeah when placing the objectives (and you know a spaceship is on way) it just absolutely telegraphs the drop. I mean, yes you can totally get lucky and pie plate the army but that's no different than rolling all 6's in an assault either. Statistically raw but still could happen. Thanks for trying it out

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Wow you got unlucky.
Interesting game either way, good to see an Ork list in actions. The list is very different from mine so gives me some food for thought.

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Surely the main advantage of the pods vs teleport is the fact you don't have to use them at the start of the turn? i.e. you don't risk losing strategy. Still, I don't think it's any better - there are pros and cons to both. And both are worse than putting them a thunderhawk ;)

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I agree with Kyrt, termies in thunderhawks are the Shiznit!

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Kyrt wrote:
Surely the main advantage of the pods vs teleport is the fact you don't have to use them at the start of the turn? i.e. you don't risk losing strategy. Still, I don't think it's any better - there are pros and cons to both. And both are worse than putting them a thunderhawk ;)
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Unless you're me and my fabulous ability to roll crits on my TBricks! Ha! ;D

Yeah termies in thunderhawks are awesomesauce. Kyrt nails the pro/cons perfectly above.

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