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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V)  Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:36 am |
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Hi,
All good work primarch, better than most of my early attempts at painting. As a tip, when you're going from 25/28mm to Epic-scale, remember to simplify the layers, etc as appropriate. Its quite easy to try to do too much on 6mm figures. That, and try to keep your painting varied. A load of identical minis in one sitting can get very tedious. 
I've spent the evening painting more Orks. 8 Boyz, 4 Nobz and 2 Grotz complete now. Only 4 Boyz and 2 Grotz to do tomorrow and it's onto the vehicles.
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:10 am |
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Nice work "P" ! 
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:53 am |
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Gulp - Primarchload of Primarchwork! Great stuff, and are you sure you're a beginner in painting? Then again, medical people tend to be good at this stuff - witnes the wife and her ships (must post a couple of pics some day). Must be a hands-coordination thingy. Me, I started off building ships - real ones - and have the grace of a 105-tonne crane.
Oh - crosseyed? One of my early attempts had an eye looking backwards, I'd swear.
Congrats, Primarch - one curiosity - how long did that little lot take - At my normally rate, I'd have spent several months doing those.
Stormy - congrats on the interviews! Great stuff - and impressive chainsword too. I've often wondered about building as real one, but (at least with current technology) it would be too heavy, and the motor momentum would make it clumsy. Then again, I can't help remembering the double-handed swords at the military museum in Istanbul.... you think GW makes oversized weapons? Take a look at German double-handed swords and think again. Those poor empire greatswords are underequipped. 
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:56 am |
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It seems our Primarch has FAR more talent than he's led us to believe...
You are much better than I am at shading cloth & flesh. Look at the marshal & the Emp's Champ here to see what I mean. 
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:29 am |
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Wow 'P', I'm impressed, and here was the man who claimed he couldn't paint, as mentioned before black base coats and black lining would give you a little more depth and I'm not a fan of gloss varnish either, having said that, fancy repainting my lot?
Chopped up some more marines last night so the sisters can continue to grow.
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:04 pm |
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Hi!
Thank you for the kind comments.
I have always avoided priming in black. I have used grey or white almost exclusively, but I understand the differences, pros and cons of using each type. I think I will use black primer the next time around just to see how it looks.
I painted all this stuff over a course of 4 months, but not continuosly. If I compress the time in actual work hours I think it would be a month or two. I tried to space it out over a long time becuase I believe things like this shouldnt be rushed which was my problem way back when I used to try to paint.
Painting epic requires a different approach, easier IMO, since I dont have to do any real deep detail. Of course larger models like titans get the full treatment.
I have one batch of fantasy miniatures left that includes an ogre, troll, lizardmen, ghouls and some gnolls. Another dozen figures give or take.
Once thats done I will start, repriming and redoing all then old epic stuff. It will takes ages, but it should be fun.
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:51 pm |
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Interesting results, Primarch, and not bad either. I'd recommend a matt varnish, though. Heard that Dullcote produced by Testors gives some good results.
However, your washes were not watered down enough... they make some parts of the models look blotchy adn downright sloppy.
Elf archer with gold filigree tunic.
I practiced doing blond hair on this model.
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Hair look cartoonish. You sure this was the intention? More natural blonde hair can be achieved by painting Bronzed Flesh, highlighting with Bleached Bone and then with Skull White. Here is a picture of a twin hand flamer Seraphim that uses this technique.
Also... metals seem a bit too bright. You might want to apply a black wash to them - or better buy a darker metallic paint then Mithril Silver.
Boltgun Metal is the default metallic, Chainmail is a wee bit brighter, usually used to highlight edges, and the Mithril Silver is usually used only to edge sharp or pointy things.
The skeleton has too much of a flesh tone to it. Maybe consider looking at the tutorial I wrote on painting bones and skeletons, here.
As for what I did since yesterday... not much, but I am far forward in writing SCB--TXT converter. Initial trial runs met success, but I need to finish an automatic input module yet. Besides, working on that might give me some serious ideas on how to make some of the SCBmaker's functions more automatic.
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:53 pm |
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Hi!
Thanks for the tips TFH. I havent tried watering down the inked, nor mixing colors since I'm pretty much using everything right out of the GW paint pot so to speak.
I'm aware of the too much flesh tone on the skeletons, since I used the chestnut ink GW makes, which is too dark. I like the suggestion for the base color you gave by mixing colors. That should work much better.
The painting blonde hair recommendations are good too, since I had no idea how to get a realistic color by dry brushing. You color selection for that makes sense.
Jimbo and Warmaster pointed out the metals were too bright and I have a good idea on how to fix that the next time around.
Question: How do you highlight red effectively?
Thanks!
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:50 pm |
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Question: How do you highlight red effectively? |
It depennds on your taste. White tends to look a bit odd as your highlights become pink. Yellow works better but still gives a orange look. I've found that Blazing Orange gives a slightly "whiter highlliight than using pure yellow.
An interesting solution which I haven't tried out myself is to highlight using white and then cover it in red ink.
My personal preference if I want a deep red is to shade deeper instead of doing much highlighting. If I want a red robe I start with Scab Red and highlight with Blood red.
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:28 pm |
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ooh, always water down your inks... they flow so much better and will give you a much less messy end result than if used neat from the pot.
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:03 pm |
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I always put a little blob of ink onto my palette, and add as much water as 'feels right'- usually more for darker colours, sometimes as much as 75% water I would guess.
It all depends on what you are painting, what colour you are inking onto, and what effect you are trying to achieve; don't be afraid to experiment and see what suits you.
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:23 pm |
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A plain piece of ceramic tile works well as a pallette. you can just let the stuff dry when you are done and scrape it clean with a razor blade. That's what the guys at the GW shop here use.
Personally, I use old blisters. There's certainly no shortage of them around my place.
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Post subject: What are you working on? (Vol. V) Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:26 pm |
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Any flat, clean surface will do really- I use a peanut butter jar lid!
You just need a surface to mix and thin paint on, I just about never use it straight from the pot...
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