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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:57 pm 
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What I don't get is not trying an independant company. Sell them a licence and let them make models. Risk transfered, only make licenced types so IP protected. If there was a market then they could deliver to it.


Welcome to the forum!  I too am confused by this practice.  If, as they seem to be, GW is running a pure buisness model, why not simply license the Epic brand name and models, gaining some profit with no risk?  It is as if they want it all, to make massive profit with no outlay.  ???

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:47 am 
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Allowing an independant company to license GW IP would make some business sense, but you have to consider the following points.

This independent company would end competing with GW's core business, which is not producing fluff (or even rules), but selling overpriced models (that's a rant for another time). For example, I would never, ever consider starting WHFB or especially WH40K (a waste of money for what I consider crappy rules), although I play Epic, BFG, and used to like Man'O'War. I also have some Warmaster models somewhere... With Fanatic as an inside department or a semi-independent filial, GW ends getting my money anyway. With a licensing model, they get some money from the independant company and not much after that. I suspect GW only tolerates FW because they are not in the same price league for the stuff that "counts" (ie Battle and 40K models).

A large part of the work at GW seems to be about keeping the fluff "coherent" (using the term very loosely here, that's another rant for another time). Remember how many times JJ said on the SG forum "I'll have to check that with the WH40K team", or stuff like "the 40K team said Necrons couldn't get an air force in Epic...". All creativity (fluff, design, perhaps even rules...) in the independent company would have to go through the veto of the 40K team, which would lengthen development time, and end costing a lot to both the independent company and GW. In the end, incoherences in the fluff would be unavoidable, and the only incoherences GW seems to accept are the ones they create themselves.

Don't forget GW never hesitated killing their own games if they started casting a shadow on their 2 main cash cows (3 now with LotR), or if it became apparent that those games could provide a lot of enjoyment with a minimal amount of money invested (like Bloodbowl where buying your team and its Champion would be enough for a long, long fun time).

The silly thing, of course, is that it seems this "restructuration" (downsizing of SG) is a move by GW to focus their resources of their developers on the main games, whereas the strength they have was in their comprehensive range of games on all scales (in the 40K universe, you have space battle scale (BFG), combined arms scale (EA), tactical/skirmish (WH40K), and even sub-tactical (Inquisitor). That's a lot of options and variety, and a tremendous incentive to play several games for combined campaigns. But GW seems to focus their business on cookie-cutter players, for whom variety and choice are anathema.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:36 am 
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Solid post! :)

Of course I agree with you 100%! :D

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:32 am 
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Yeah......GW's basic mantra is "Weve got em , they are'nt going anywhere, and we are going to keep it that way."

That sort of mentality breeds bad feelings toward them....especially since they are blatent about it. I think we should start a revolution!  :O :O

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Time will tell ... and time is not on our side ...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:29 am 
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Quote (Legion 4 @ 17 2004 Nov.,17:46)
Time will tell ... and time is not on our side ...

Time is on my side. I am trying to get myself in good shape to be healthy, thus live longer. I am in the process of applying for a job internaly that would include a jump in pay, thus increase my buying power. And I have a Paypal and ebay accounts. I think time is on my side. Now GW on the other hand, well they might have some issues with some of their games.  :;):

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:34 am 
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Well Daf, I meant Epic, not us !!!  I figure we'll be around for awhile ...  :;):

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I hope so, I havent gotten to my million points yet... :;):

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:32 pm 
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New Q&A up on Fanatic;

http://www.specialist-games.com/newstudio.asp

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:12 pm 
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Quote (stormseer @ 29 2004 Nov.,17:32)
New Q&A up on Fanatic;

http://www.specialist-games.com/newstudio.asp


Q: Will you still be accepting articles from out of house writers?

A: Yes we will. We will bring out all of the new miniatures that we have planned until June next year, and there will be at least one new release for each of the games in the specialist range until the end of 2007. After 2007 we will have a yearly budget large enough for us to produce a substantial release for 2-3 specialist game systems each and every year. So, although the number of new release will slow down, in the future we will continue to make new models for all the games in the specialist range.


Well I guess this means I'll only have to wait till 2011 or so for those Eldar Exodites then  :p


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:23 am 
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...and the year 2100 for necrons.... :(

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:14 am 
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How about this for an idea, SG releases the infantry in plastic form and leaves the vehicles to FW.  That way they can release Tau infantry, at a much cheaper price than FW resin infantry, and with the already made FW vehicles, they can say you have a new army for Epic.  Do the same for Necrons and SG can stick to their time table and still only have to release a few minis to make a new army.

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Its a good idea....

..therefore GW will NOT adopt it...

..such is their logic.... :;):

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Quote (primarch @ 29 2004 Nov.,16:23)
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...and the year 2100 for necrons.... :(

Primarch

Nah, I say 2058 should be long enough.  :p

By the way, when will you be at 1 Million?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:05 am 
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Quote (primarch @ 30 2004 Nov.,01:22)
..such is their logic.... :;):

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Yep, why waste time on learning something new when ignorance is instanteous and fanboys rule eternal. Money and short-sightedness talks.  :(

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