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Post subject: The Tau Rules???  Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 1:26 am |
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Hi!
Its still a very heated debate in some parts of who "won" WWII. Stalin wanted Operation Overlord to Ocurr in summer 1943, the allies, unprepared (or unwilling) gave them the Invasion of Sicily. Many argue that by the time D-day ocurred, the eastern front and thus the war had been decided (Kursk having ocurred in 1943).
As with most things of this nature, after many years of reading on the subject the truth usually lies in that it was a combination of both sides cooperation. While many critical battles were won by the soviets alone, could they have made it to Berlin without lend lease parts for their american made trucks? Or the Brits and American tieing up scarse german resources in the atlantic and european theater? Would D-day have even been possible if Russia had not destroyed the cream of the german panzer core in Stalingrad and Kursk? Russian production while close to the USA's was at 100% capacity, they couldn't produce more even if they wanted. American industry was still at 50% full throttle by wars end and acounted for 50% of ALL material made by BOTH sides in the war (prodigious!).
In my view it was a team effort. The consequences for either side if the crucial merits each side gave were not made would have spelled disaster for the remaining party.
Imagine if the Germans DID reach Moscow in 1941, by ignoring the Kiev pocket or diverting forces for OKW North to Center? Would the US been able to realistically invade mainland Europe with a defeated Russia?
Without the dominate British/US airpower that brought german industry underground and kept wonderous technology delayed from the battlefield, would the T-34 be all that great. Imagine the new jet powered HS "tank-killer" in service by late 43 early 44 and its effect on the battlefield.
The germans through their leadership, technology edge and sheer brass "balls" were one tough cookie. I dont think either side could say they could have taken it out without the crucial help of the other. There are simply to many overlapping variables in such a complex cooperative venture to simply say one side "won it".
Great topic, thanks!
Primarch
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 4:52 am |
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Yes, I agree with you both ... WWII is still a subject of great interest to most historians and there are volumes yet to write. And to think this topic started out as a Tau rule question ! 
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:40 pm |
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L-4,
And to think this topic started out as a Tau rule question! |
I was sort of hoping that the topic would RETURN to the Tau as well! 
Between you and Primarch, my friends, can derail ANY TOPIC!
Shalom,
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:46 pm |
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 4:29 pm |
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My fault! I made him do it at gun point... 
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 7:53 pm |
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But look at the bright side, it is those side trips that help make this a community and not just a rules forum.
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 1:52 am |
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But look at the bright side, it is those side trips that help make this a community and not just a rules forum. |
Dafrca,
You're right, of course!
Shalom,
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 5:08 am |
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 10:36 am |
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Like the Waltons in 6mm....
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 10:41 am |
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| Quote (netepic @ 21 2004 May,11:36) | | Like the Waltons in 6mm.... |
oh my chaos gods! shudder! 
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 4:38 pm |
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More like the Addams Family meets The Munsters ! 
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:01 pm |
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Now there'd be a nifty conversion piece. Anybody up for that?
Waltons, Addams family, or Munsters, your pick. 
my 2cents,
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Post subject: The Tau Rules??? Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 1:02 pm |
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And thats why I love this place so.
my 2cents,
iblisdrax
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