I think the ratio might need to be tweaked on the guardians specifically, not 1:2 globally on the core. BT armies should absolutely be based on around aspects
thematically. Actually at least one aspect should be compulsory for BT. They simply don't go to war without them and should form the core of the army. Purchasing a guardian formation and using it to open up a bunch of arty or ranger support is silly from a flavor concept to me. That's probably a 1:2 or a 1:1 ratio but just for them; Not the apsects. Can we rework some of the above to see how JUST guardians doing that affects your lists (I'm on a mobile and doing the maths with the tiny screen isn't in the cards at this moment otherwise I would)? I agree with the lament above that WS/Falc builds need to not be nurtured.
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Actually Kyuss, yes you do.
HOWEVER I don't really give a rat's ass if that means your BT
in name only favorite build gets toasted in this list. We can easy construct variants to support a wide style of play. I'm sorry Eldar players but there's a huge issue in Eldar land where 90% of everything is BT
because they damn list can do just about everything. It's not a broken list (I'll categorically state that). It's just got no focus as to make the rest of Eldar lists be ignored largely because BT can do it all (only slight hyperbole). Honestly I read the BT list and it looks like 2nd edition GENERIC ELDAR. JFC what was JJ thinking.
I just want to point out when Codex Armageddon marines list is discussed getting less focused and wider on theme we're all quick to shut that down but with BT it's the exact opposite. Why is that? Half the BT lists I see don't look like BT armies are supposed to in the fluff. Codex lists get taken because the list is good and air assaults work awesome in EA. It's ok to shrink builds in singular lists while producing more lists thus keeping builds available at
the faction level. I'm sorry but if someone today showed up with the BT list for approval you'd ALL laugh it down as needing a more focused theme.
The issue with the limited builds for Steel Legion is a bagatelle. The issue in guard faction is that there's ONLY two real lists and one sorta list that doesn't really work well for Tank Legion that is awkward AF (BSM can be ignored as being dumb and without merit), not that Steel Legion has limited builds. I'd target about 8 very focused lists for a faction as being optimal for a competitive environment (and more for friendly play as those ones don't need as much testing and should be slung out in NetEA campaign books right an left).
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dptdexys wrote:
As mainly an opponent of BT Eldar I would make no changes at all, if pushed to propose a change I would make a simple alteration to the ranger formation to make it a minimium of 6 for 150 with the option to add up to 2 more for 25 points each.
This would usualy cut 1 activation from most lists without affecting strategies used.
Now you're just making BT butt into Alaitoc's space even more. Big ranger options should be their domain.
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My rant isn't about any of those builds above (other than, lovingly I might add, Ginger's noncompetitive one above as that's not even remotely looking like what the BT should be known for <3 though would be a bad ass for Ulthwé). They're fine for a balance perspective. However I've seen wayyyy too many retarded guardian spam and ranger spam builds from BT to fill a lifetime. We've got other craftworlds for those types of builds. BT needs some trimming to make other lists shine.
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