Interesting thoughts there!
So to help in, my part also.
1. I agree on
A).
But what do you think about unifying the rules instead of lowering the bonus? currently we have the +2 for Supa-Stompas and bigger, and the Head of Gork for Supa-Stompas and smaller, so the Supa-Stomps are receiving bonus from 2 sources at the same time and the Head of Gork itself is only good for thematic armies that are fun but not good for tournaments. The options i see are:
- A.1: Make the Head of Gork a special rule that affects every ground formation. So the Big Mek will have the same rules as the Head added to him and increase the range if needed, or make it infinite range and LOS needed like some people proposed
OR add the Head to each Gargant or only to Great and Mega Gargants and probably reduce the range to 15cm.
- A.2: Make the +2 a Kustom Upgrade that applies in a radius. So make it give a flat +2 or +1 to everyone in range or LOS
OR use directly the Head's rule but make it work on everyone and increase the range if needed.
2. I agree with Evil and Chaos on his first half.
Also, as you have said, you haven't tested that build and there is also not much information from others, so why not test it for a bit first?. Apart from Fudd's, there has been only three games with 2 Great Gargants out of 35-40 games and a long time ago.
3. Not sure about this.
It's something that has been talked about a lot already for Ghazghkull's and i also have done my part of thinking and its quite complicated. But for this list, in my opinion, it poses two questions: Are Stompas bad at that cost for real? and most importantly, Why are they bad?
- For the first i would say no. On one side several people have done the numbers for them and comparing those numbers with other Ork units and with Leman Russes (62 to 66 points) which are the closest to them in function and numbers. The results are that they should cost 60 points which they already do thanks to you(58 points) , and in my opinion those numbers are true except for the fact that Walker is a higher risk when one has 6 units as there is at least a 6/36=1/6 of getting a loss per turn which balances a good part of the reduction in firepower received the cover provides, but they already are costed below 60.
On the other side, if I leave numbers apart, i think it is the same matter as what happens with Gunwagons: they aren't bad for that cost, is that Flakwagons are better. In this case, its not that Stompas are bad for 58 points, is that Supa-Stompas are better in almost everything except when they assault by themselves, for 50 points less (350 of a BIG for 300 or 325 with Armour Upgrade of the Supa-Stompas), and also they can't compare with Fightas. But if we compare them with Killa formations, i don't see much of a difference in which is better, one is more shooty and better at assaults and the other has the numbers and resilience. So i think that instead on working on the Stompas, working on the Supa-Stompas and maybe on the Fightas will be better.
- For the second question, apart from what i have said about comparing with the other supports in the list. I have no clear answer. Now they are at a good cost/performance ratio but if I were to say one, from my personal experience with Ghazghkull as i barely have used them in this one, is that they are easy to avoid and snipe, as their speed plus range is quite bad so they get avoided an later snipped most of the time before they can fire decently.
But giving one of them a longer range weapon to fix this would be putting on a list what others have (Leman Russes Battle cannon) and will feel clunky an both reasons are very bad, even if an Oddboy, a 25 points weapon from the Gargants options, or a Kustom Kannon would be fun to use.
4. I agree with Evil and Chaos completely in this part.
Increasing the cost of some to 50 points would work very well for that.
5. OK.
Also, i almost forgot about this.
mordoten wrote:
Hello!
Go ahead and upload them. Will try to fix it, I'm really bad with computers.
No problem, i don't mind the work at all.
http://www.redsilico.com/armystats/race.cgi?race=OrksI added 24 games to the list but there is also 10-15 that will be hard to add as there isn't enough info for filling the form for most of them. I'll try to get to see what i can do but don't get your hopes high. If in need use the statistics i made some months ago and maybe i should put a link to it on the signature for them, till i get those games 10-15 added.