Have any of you fellow 6mm Players made this transition?

Im curious to how you guys have found it.

Views/Pros/Cons. Looking for general player receptions.

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It's got it's pros and cons. Beautiful, highly detailed models, but fairly expensive. There are some excellent points in the rules, particularly how bases of infantry are handled as they take wounds. It really needs at least 1500 points games to shine, I'd say, and since I got both armies I never got that far. In terms of model count it doesn't capture the feel of a true mass battle game; a dozen armored vehicles, a half dozen dropships, and a few dozen troops at 1500 doesn't count.

In some ways it feels like an amalgam of 40k and Epic. Not a bad thing, mind you, just different. I've not gotten all that many games in aside from the demos I did at Adepticon since it never really took off in my gaming group.

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it's sold down my LGS, but apparently has fizzled. Lots of people bought in at launch, but without continued support they drifted back out of it again.

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Oh there's continued support, just not at a GW pace. I'm seriously considering getting a scorpion-thing for my PHR to paint.

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I got a similar response from my LGS's owner - I think a few people bought a starter set and then realised they'd have to by just as much again just to have a half way decent game. Spending £50+ just on dropships (which are really just troop carriers it seems) then another 70/80 on troops for a game that had a tiny player base just didn't take off - their stock section is now tiny. Good news to see new releases - perhaps it'll be a slow burn and then take off with a 2nd Ed like Infinity.

I'm planning to add a couple of UCM drop ships to my Epic SMs as landers/transporters which has made me wonder if proxying the models with 6mm epic might work to get into it and see if it is fun. Don't mind dropping £15 on a rule book to try it out. Has any one tried this - was thinking SMs as UMC and Eldar as Shaltari...?

there where at least to waves of new units for each faction and its still a very small company.

the first wave i remember was a drone carrier for the ucm, scout mechs for phr and a flying atillery for the scourge. forgot hat the shiltari got and some infantry i believe....

the second wave is recent stuff. giant mech for phr an artillery for umc and so on. i would love to start an army but its very pricey...

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Hi!

As I get back into the swing of things, I saw this thread and went to their website. i must say I like a lot of thier models for potential 6mm proxies. Especially for titans in net epic armies like the slann and even Necrons.

Does anyone have pictures of size comparisons on the vehicles/flyers/walkers to 6mm epic figs?

Thanks!

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I keep seeing this claim that DZC is expensive and I really have no idea where that impression has come from. At this point I'm fairly sure it's just internet whisper echoes repeated without any actual critical thought.

For instance, The main human tank is priced at £11 for three, roughly the same as ForgeWorld sold their 6mm vehicles at and substantially less than some Specialist games prices, and they're 10mm size rather than 6mm.

Coupled with your second point about low model count for a tournament sized army, and at worst a DZC army is going to cost roughly the same as a 3k EA army would have when EA was still available. It's going to cost substantially less than a 40k army. Coupled with the fact that the £30 scenery pack gets you enough tiles to cover a 4 foot square table with urban terrain and loads of buildings to place on top means that complaints about price are misguided at best.

Have to agree. For what you get in quality they are very reasonably priced and a workable army is comparable in price to most systems (baring 40k/WH which is in a league of its own obviously.)

My impression is (having not played) is that each unit also needs a £10 to £15 drop ship to carry it onto the board which does little else in the game - but this may not be true. That seems to add £50-70 to a decent starter army. IMHO is if the drop ships were sold cheaper (at cost??) there would be a bigger take up.

Just my 2p.

@ Primarch - there are some pics floating around - prob in the 10mm. The armour is big for epic - the Bear APCs are about SH tank size. (Im thinking about using them as Gorgons...)

Hi!

I also agree with this. Given the quality, very reasonably priced. I'm thinking of getting a selection of potential proxies and make pictures with size comparisons with epic stuff.

Primarch

Although Dropshops aren't mandatory*, the objective based scenarios just about necessitate one for most formations, and the rules support Dropships as a core part of gameplay (hence the name).

From a numbers point of view, this dropship carries 3 of these or these, while this can carry 9. Additionally, Dropships are vital for carrying infantry, who are used for searching for and evacuating objectives, and can carry APCs with infantry in.



*there's trial rules for an immobile artillery unit, which mandates a dropship transport.

Well maybe the fact that I bought both armies skews my perspective. I got two 750pt armies for about 200GBP, and neither are large enough to explore the full potential of the system. 18 vehicles, 10 dropships, and 18 stands of infantry. For about the same price i've priced out 5000 pt of Tau infantry and suits using Onslaught's OTC with 15 AVs and 120 stands of infantry.

DZC's prices feel high partly because of the small model count. 6mm prices with approximately the same quality feel lower, and provide a grander scale. That sense of scale is what I find draws me more than anything, and DZC can't match it meaningfully due to the way the rules are written. Elegant and innovative, yes, but not for true mass battles.

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